From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Luc Teirlinck Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs cvs newbie problems Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 22:09:51 -0500 (CDT) Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: <200209200309.WAA03597@eel.dms.auburn.edu> References: <200209160002.g8G02Eb06228@f7.net> <9003-Wed18Sep2002214449+0300-eliz@is.elta.co.il> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1032491477 3106 127.0.0.1 (20 Sep 2002 03:11:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 03:11:17 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rms@gnu.org, karl@freefriends.org, hattons@speakeasy.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17sECJ-0000np-00 for ; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 05:11:15 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 17sErO-0007BY-00 for ; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 05:53:43 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17sECc-0006Aw-00; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 23:11:34 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10) id 17sEB0-00069e-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 23:09:54 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10) id 17sEAw-00069S-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 23:09:53 -0400 Original-Received: from manatee.dms.auburn.edu ([131.204.53.104]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17sEAw-00069M-00; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 23:09:50 -0400 Original-Received: from eel.dms.auburn.edu (eel.dms.auburn.edu [131.204.53.108]) by manatee.dms.auburn.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA27292; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 22:09:48 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: (from teirllm@localhost) by eel.dms.auburn.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) id WAA03597; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 22:09:51 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: eel.dms.auburn.edu: teirllm set sender to teirllm@dms.auburn.edu using -f Original-To: eliz@is.elta.co.il In-reply-to: <9003-Wed18Sep2002214449+0300-eliz@is.elta.co.il> Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:8031 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:8031 I assume that what we are talking about is the output of C-h i (or equivalently Help -> More Manuals -> All Other Manuals (Info) on the menu-bar). I have two small remarks on this. First, why is the more convenient key binding C-h i not mentioned on the menu-bar entry? It was mentioned in Emacs20.7, but somehow disappeared in Emacs21. Secondly, what part of the following is intentional, a system specific problem or a bug in the current CVS version? >From the C-h i output: Texinfo documentation system * Info: (info). How to use the documentation browsing system. * Texinfo: (texinfo). The GNU documentation format. * info standalone: (info-stnd). Read Info documents without Emacs. * infokey: (info-stnd)Invoking infokey. Compile Info customizations. * install-info: (texinfo)Invoking install-info. Update info/dir entries. * makeinfo: (texinfo)Invoking makeinfo. Translate Texinfo source. * texi2dvi: (texinfo)Format with texi2dvi. Print Texinfo documents. * texindex: (texinfo)Format with tex/texindex. Sort Texinfo index files. Texinfo documentation system * Info: (info). How to use the documentation browsing system. * Texinfo: (texinfo). The GNU documentation format. * info standalone: (info-stnd). Read Info documents without Emacs. * infokey: (info-stnd)Invoking infokey. Compile Info customizations. * install-info: (texinfo)Invoking install-info. Update info/dir entries. * makeinfo: (texinfo)Invoking makeinfo. Translate Texinfo source. * texi2dvi: (texinfo)Format with texi2dvi. Print Texinfo documents. * texindex: (texinfo)Format with tex/texindex. Sort Texinfo index files. Texinfo documentation system * Standalone info program: (info-stnd). Standalone Info-reading program. * Texinfo: (texinfo). The GNU documentation format. * install-info: (texinfo)Invoking install-info. Update info/dir entries. * makeinfo: (texinfo)Invoking makeinfo. Translate Texinfo source. * texi2dvi: (texinfo)Format with texi2dvi. Print Texinfo documents. * texindex: (texinfo)Format with tex/texindex. Sort Texinfo index files. It would seem to me that the first identical repetition is a bug. It does not occur in Emacs21.2.90 on the same system. The third slightly different version might be intentional and be meant more for the standalone version. It does appear in earlier Emacs versions too. It is confusing however. If it is intentional a non-identical title might help. "Standalone info program" in the third copy seems to lead to exactly the same buffer as "info standalone" in the two previous copies. Is that third copy not quite simply a bug too? Emacs version and system information: *** Welcome to IELM *** Type (describe-mode) for help. ELISP> (emacs-version) "GNU Emacs 21.3.50.1 (i686-pc-linux-gnu, X toolkit)\n of 2002-09-19 on swt40.swt.com" ELISP> system-configuration "i686-pc-linux-gnu" ELISP> I am running Red Hat 7.2. Sincerely, Luc.