From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs cvs newbie problems Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 08:42:12 -0400 Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: <20020915124212.GA26622@gnu.org> References: <200209141640.25576.hattons@speakeasy.net> <200209142112.QAA22096@eel.dms.auburn.edu> <200209141811.18129.hattons@speakeasy.net> <200209142303.SAA22156@eel.dms.auburn.edu> <3D83E164.1040901@speakeasy.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1032093899 24296 127.0.0.1 (15 Sep 2002 12:44:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 12:44:59 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17qYlm-0006Jj-00 for ; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 14:44:58 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 17qZOc-0007h1-00 for ; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 15:25:06 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17qYly-0007Ri-00; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 08:45:10 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10) id 17qYj9-00072R-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 08:42:15 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10) id 17qYj7-00071k-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 08:42:14 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17qYj7-00071e-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 08:42:13 -0400 Original-Received: from miles by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.10) id 17qYj6-000076-00; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 08:42:12 -0400 Original-To: "Steven T. Hatton" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3D83E164.1040901@speakeasy.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Blat: Foop Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:7921 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:7921 [Pardon me, I don't have your original message, so I might be confused about what you're asking] On Sat, Sep 14, 2002 at 09:24:52PM -0400, Steven T. Hatton wrote: > I'm not really addressing a developer issue at the 'bug' level, or the > 'new feature' level. This is a 'gestalt', 'weltanshauung' or 'paradigm' > issue. Try asking specific questions. You're more likely to get a response. Do you have an actual package you want to install? Note that Emacs comes with many packages by default that are optional in xemacs, so you might not need to do anything. Many packages come with Makefiles, and you can just do configure/make etc. just like a non-lisp program. Packages that don't, are often so simple that the answer is `drop it into the site-lisp directory'. But as Luc said, the answer may be different depending on what you what to do. Once you installed a few things, you'll probably know what to do, and won't need to ask anymore (until you run into some wierd-ass package that really is hard to install -- but in that case it will probably be something strange that simply doesn't follow the rules anyway). [the rest of this is arguably flame-bait, so continue reading at your own risk] > Here's something to think about: [...cut...] I'm not sure why you posted this list; all of the items you mentioned are so different that there's really little you can say about them as a group, and certainly comparing emacs with them seems rather pointless. [java is a programming language definition; KDE provides only the basic extensibility for users (and is not easy to install by any stretch of the imagination); netscape provides almost no user extensibility at all (`powerful'?); Linux kernel configuration -- `easy to use for the uninitiated'? Hint: no.] -Miles -- P.S. All information contained in the above letter is false, for reasons of military security.