From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stefan Monnier" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Customizing key bindings (was: Re: [CVS] f7, f8 bound..) Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 09:53:31 -0400 Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: <200209091353.g89DrVE18279@rum.cs.yale.edu> References: <87ofbji88u.fsf@emacswiki.org> <87sn0scb0b.fsf@emacswiki.org> <200209061728.g86HSVp32767@rum.cs.yale.edu> <20020906220339.GA7270@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1031579766 20532 127.0.0.1 (9 Sep 2002 13:56:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 13:56:06 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Miles Bader , Stefan Monnier , rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17oP1F-0005KF-00 for ; Mon, 09 Sep 2002 15:56:01 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 17oPbD-0003Nb-00 for ; Mon, 09 Sep 2002 16:33:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17oP1I-0003hU-00; Mon, 09 Sep 2002 09:56:04 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10) id 17oOzL-0003ZH-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Sep 2002 09:54:03 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10) id 17oOzJ-0003Yq-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Sep 2002 09:54:02 -0400 Original-Received: from rum.cs.yale.edu ([128.36.229.169]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17oOz7-0003Uv-00; Mon, 09 Sep 2002 09:53:49 -0400 Original-Received: (from monnier@localhost) by rum.cs.yale.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g89DrVE18279; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 09:53:31 -0400 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.4 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 Original-To: Per Abrahamsen Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:7748 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:7748 > If you want to make configuration easy to the end-users, you need to > start with their needs, and not with the old textual configuration > files. It is one area where MS Windows and Mac programmers tend to be > better than Unix programmers. But I (as a programmer-style user) simply hate those interfaces because I have no way to relate them to the real underlying concepts so that I end up forced to use the "user-friendly" interface all the time, with all its limitations. If that's what Emacs will turn into, then I'll switch to something else (or will keep on using an old version or something). After all, Emacs is AFAIK a text-editor with a strong "programmer" user base and it doesn't make sense to alienate this user-base in order to try and attract people whose only editing needs are for email messages. Stefan