From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: What custom is and does Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 18:57:53 -0400 Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: <20020907225753.GB26845@gnu.org> References: <87sn0scb0b.fsf@emacswiki.org> <200209061728.g86HSVp32767@rum.cs.yale.edu> <20020906220339.GA7270@gnu.org> <87sn0lofm0.fsf_-_@emacswiki.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1031439548 18287 127.0.0.1 (7 Sep 2002 22:59:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 22:59:08 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17noXj-0004kp-00 for ; Sun, 08 Sep 2002 00:59:07 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 17np6t-0005kU-00 for ; Sun, 08 Sep 2002 01:35:27 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17noXj-0004Go-00; Sat, 07 Sep 2002 18:59:07 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10) id 17noWe-00045u-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Sep 2002 18:58:00 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10) id 17noWb-000450-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Sep 2002 18:57:59 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17noWb-00044r-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Sep 2002 18:57:57 -0400 Original-Received: from miles by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.10) id 17noWX-0007Oe-00; Sat, 07 Sep 2002 18:57:53 -0400 Original-To: Alex Schroeder Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87sn0lofm0.fsf_-_@emacswiki.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Blat: Foop Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:7703 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:7703 On Sat, Sep 07, 2002 at 07:48:39PM +0200, Alex Schroeder wrote: > I guess the problem is that do not understand what your problem with > custom is. Therefore, what Per says makes perfect sense to me but I > cannot explain it to you -- it seems that you two are talking about > two different problems. I think you're right -- I'm not talking about the `custom-...' stuff in .emacs (that's fine with me). I'm just saying that custom and `lisp' should (1) have the same basic model of the world (though it's fine for there to be _some_ differences), and (2) neither should screw each other up (e.g., some of the proposed implementations for custom-keymaps complicate the lisp model for fairly dubious reasons). -Miles -- P.S. All information contained in the above letter is false, for reasons of military security.