From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stefan Monnier" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.xemacs.design,gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: INFO on add-ons Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 11:49:25 -0400 Sender: xemacs-design-admin@xemacs.org Message-ID: <200209041549.g84FnQp19483@rum.cs.yale.edu> References: <3D728E82.8000808@cox.net> <87ptvxxkoj.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87fzwtxad9.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <3D73F6D1.7010002@cox.net> <874rd7wuos.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <3D74D797.7000707@cox.net> <87bs7etocv.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1031154524 5303 127.0.0.1 (4 Sep 2002 15:48:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 15:48:44 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Miles Bader , bob@rattlesnake.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, xemacs-design@xemacs.org Return-path: Original-Received: from gwyn.tux.org ([207.96.1.200]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17mcOY-0001NP-00 for ; Wed, 04 Sep 2002 17:48:43 +0200 Original-Received: from gwyn.tux.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA03246; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 11:50:02 -0400 Original-Received: (from turnbull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.9.3/8.9.1) id LAA03100 for xemacs-design-mailman@xemacs.org; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 11:49:29 -0400 Original-Received: (from mail@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.9.3/8.9.1) id LAA03096 for turnbull@tux.org; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 11:49:29 -0400 Original-Received: from rum.cs.yale.edu (rum.cs.yale.edu [128.36.229.169]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA03091; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 11:49:28 -0400 Original-Received: (from monnier@localhost) by rum.cs.yale.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g84FnQp19483; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 11:49:26 -0400 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.4 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 Original-To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" X-XEmacs-List: design Errors-To: xemacs-design-admin@xemacs.org X-BeenThere: xemacs-design@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.1 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Discussion of design and features for XEmacs. List-Unsubscribe: , Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.xemacs.design:1387 gmane.emacs.devel:7471 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:7471 > Miles> I know that originally (in the days of the original emacs) > Miles> there actually were info files, but texinfo hadn't been > Miles> invented yet; how did people write info files then (by > Miles> hand?!)? > > Been there, done that. Texinfo is not an improvement, if restricted > to generating Info files. Huh?!? What kind of wacky Emacs macros did you have to maintain indices and to ensure a consistent style when editing Info files ? > (Obviously the retargetable backend is a > _huge_ improvement, and I wouldn't go back, although I'd like to go > forward from Texinfo to XMLinfo.) What's so great about compared to @kindex C-x k ? What's so great about foobar compared to @sample{foobar} ? XML has its advantages, but for a *source* format, it's just way too cumbersome/verbose, unless you use an editor that hides the markup, but then what would such an editor look like ? If you say WYSIWYG, you know that it is very difficult to reconcile with the purpose of TeXinfo which is to concentrate on the intent and allow many *different* output formats. Stefan