From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [CVS] f7, f8 bound.. Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 19:53:14 -0400 Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: <20020903235314.GA31223@gnu.org> References: <200209021705.g82H50d07442@rum.cs.yale.edu> <200209022324.g82NOoO08761@rum.cs.yale.edu> <20020903130247.GA6318@gnu.org> <20020903173120.GA29981@gnu.org> <20020903225635.GA26910@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1031097199 3175 127.0.0.1 (3 Sep 2002 23:53:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 23:53:19 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Per Abrahamsen , emacs-devel@gnu.org Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17mNTx-0000p3-00 for ; Wed, 04 Sep 2002 01:53:17 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 17mO2t-0005SA-00 for ; Wed, 04 Sep 2002 02:29:23 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17mNVU-0007FD-00; Tue, 03 Sep 2002 19:54:52 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10) id 17mNTx-0006lx-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Sep 2002 19:53:17 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10) id 17mNTv-0006lX-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Sep 2002 19:53:17 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17mNTv-0006kt-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Sep 2002 19:53:15 -0400 Original-Received: from miles by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.10) id 17mNTu-0008Eg-00; Tue, 03 Sep 2002 19:53:14 -0400 Original-To: Andreas Schwab Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020903225635.GA26910@gnu.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Blat: Foop Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:7411 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:7411 I wrote: > This is actually a good example of a mechanism established for the use of > customize which ends up `dirtying the waters' for people who use anything > more. Actually, in retrospect, I think this was a little strong. As far as I know such `mode-variables' existed before customize, and all customize did was make them `active' (and it had little choice, since it tries to be a declarative interface). However, making the variables active in customize leads to people thinking that they are in lisp too. Customize and lisp share the same namespace, so they have to play nice with each other. -Miles -- P.S. All information contained in the above letter is false, for reasons of military security.