From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: IRC client for Emacs Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 19:53:04 -0600 (MDT) Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: <200208210153.g7L1r4W10188@wijiji.santafe.edu> References: <873ctot40n.fsf@emacswiki.org> <20020809223753.955308.FMU31823@piglet.prv.splode.com> <200208110355.g7B3tOo06247@wijiji.santafe.edu> <877kixtg8w.fsf@emacswiki.org> <20020811160610.424772.FMU9022@piglet.prv.splode.com> <87fzxhs1ia.fsf@emacswiki.org> <200208151954.g7FJsut07968@wijiji.santafe.edu> <20020820143817.816033.FMU965@piglet.prv.splode.com> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1029894941 31528 127.0.0.1 (21 Aug 2002 01:55:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 01:55:41 +0000 (UTC) Cc: alex@emacswiki.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17hKih-0008CP-00 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 03:55:39 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 17hLAs-0004bK-00 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 04:24:47 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17hKjq-0005Iq-00; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 21:56:50 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10) id 17hKgQ-000537-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 21:53:18 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10) id 17hKgG-0004xy-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 21:53:14 -0400 Original-Received: from pele.santafe.edu ([192.12.12.119]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17hKgF-0004wi-00; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 21:53:07 -0400 Original-Received: from wijiji.santafe.edu (wijiji [192.12.12.5]) by pele.santafe.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7L1rS514089; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 19:53:28 -0600 (MDT) Original-Received: (from rms@localhost) by wijiji.santafe.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.3) id g7L1r4W10188; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 19:53:04 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: wijiji.santafe.edu: rms set sender to rms@wijiji using -f Original-To: friedman@splode.com In-Reply-To: <20020820143817.816033.FMU965@piglet.prv.splode.com> (message from Noah Friedman on Tue, 20 Aug 2002 14:38:17 -0700 (PDT)) Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:6711 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:6711 But I seem to recall that the C library's printf library has some feature for dealing with this already in the format specifier, e.g. printf ("%2$s is %1$s", "foo", "bar"); =| bar is foo and wondered if this would be worth adding this functionality to emacs's message function as part of the basic functionality for i18n in elisp packages. I think it is a good idea to add some sort of feature for this purpose. Given the relative infrequency of messages in irc (on the order of less than 1/s most of the time, often there are minutes of idle time), this is a non-problem for the program we're talking about at the moment. Then we agree. Let's not concern ourselves with the speed issue. I am more concerned about preloading the entire contents of the message catalogs into memory at once, rather than lazy-loading entries as they are used. That is a good point. What method do you propose for lazy-loading them?