From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: `buffer-list' and the frame-parameter `buffer-predicate' Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 22:50:58 -0600 (MDT) Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: <200208170450.g7H4owO08637@wijiji.santafe.edu> References: Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1029559881 19370 127.0.0.1 (17 Aug 2002 04:51:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 04:51:21 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17fvYV-00052J-00 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 06:51:19 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 17fvyn-0000Kn-00 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 07:18:29 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17fvZT-0006Sa-00; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 00:52:20 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10) id 17fvYJ-00067p-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 00:51:07 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10) id 17fvYD-00063x-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 00:51:03 -0400 Original-Received: from pele.santafe.edu ([192.12.12.119]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17fvYC-00062M-00; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 00:51:00 -0400 Original-Received: from wijiji.santafe.edu (wijiji [192.12.12.5]) by pele.santafe.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7H4pJ512696; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 22:51:19 -0600 (MDT) Original-Received: (from rms@localhost) by wijiji.santafe.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.3) id g7H4owO08637; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 22:50:58 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: wijiji.santafe.edu: rms set sender to rms@wijiji using -f Original-To: alkibiades@gmx.de In-Reply-To: (message from Oliver Scholz on Fri, 16 Aug 2002 20:27:00 +0200) Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:6593 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:6593 for all the rest of my editing. The effect of my mode should be that all functions for buffer-listing or buffer-switching in the Gnus-frame show only resp. apply only to the *Group*, *Summary*, *Article* and the message-buffers, while exactly those buffer are not visible in the other frame. In other words: it would seem as if Gnus were running in a separate instance of Emacs, while, of course, it still _is_ the same instance with all the benefits implied by this. Do you mean that C-x b would hide the existence of other buffers? Would it simply refuse to show them in completion? Would it refuse to switch to them if you specify their names? What about C-x C-b? The other question is, why is this feature useful? If you want to use a certain frame only for Gnus, you could simply choose not to switch to any other buffer in that frame. If that is not a sufficient solution to the problem, could you tell me why not? The big, big problem is that this bypasses functions like `save-buffers-kill-emacs', too. And exactly this makes it unusable. Why is that a problem? It seems like a feature to me. I guess the question is, are you trying to improve your own convenience as a user, or are you trying to create a mode which will truly "fool" a user into thinking that two separate Emacses are running?