From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: [dane@mail.abcsinc.com: Scroll bars] Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 22:50:57 -0600 (MDT) Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: <200208170450.g7H4ovd08634@wijiji.santafe.edu> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1029559891 19379 127.0.0.1 (17 Aug 2002 04:51:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 04:51:31 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17fvYf-00052S-00 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 06:51:29 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 17fvyx-0000Kp-00 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 07:18:39 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17fvZf-0006Wq-00; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 00:52:31 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10) id 17fvYL-000692-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 00:51:09 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10) id 17fvYD-00063q-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 00:51:05 -0400 Original-Received: from pele.santafe.edu ([192.12.12.119]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17fvYC-00062L-00; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 00:51:00 -0400 Original-Received: from wijiji.santafe.edu (wijiji [192.12.12.5]) by pele.santafe.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7H4pI512689; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 22:51:18 -0600 (MDT) Original-Received: (from rms@localhost) by wijiji.santafe.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.3) id g7H4ovd08634; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 22:50:57 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: wijiji.santafe.edu: rms set sender to rms@wijiji using -f Original-To: monnier+gnu/emacs@rum.cs.yale.edu Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:6594 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:6594 Yet another user is saying that the scroll bar works all wrong. I suspect that his Xaw3d copy was compiled with the wrong options. (I sent him mail to ask.) You wrote: > Is there no way for Emacs to control this behavior independent of > how the library was compiled? No. The appearance is different (with extra arrow-buttons at each end) already. We are failing to communicate, because that difference in appearance is not the issue. The issue not whether there are arrows. The issue is what actions the mouse buttons do when clicked on, above, and below the slider. That is what I mean by behavior. The presence or absence of arrows has no intrinsic relation to the behavior of the mouse buttons in any given place (other than the arrows, of course). You can influence the behavior via Xresources, so you can bring them closer to each other if you really want to, but it would still not be the same anyway. It seems clear that many users are going to be extremely unhappy with the meanings of the buttons with the non-arrow version. We need to develop code *in Emacs* to manipulate these Xresources (or use some other method) so as to make the scroll bar work the way users expect. Can you help? It would be even nicer to give Emacs the ability to select one behavior or another, controlled by a Lisp variable. That might not be much extra difficulty once someone has implemented the mechanism for Emacs to control this behavior. However, simply making Xaw3d always use a LessTif-style behavior would be a big step forward. ------- Start of forwarded message ------- From: Dane Meyer Organization: Advantage Software X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: Scroll bars Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-admin@gnu.org Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 11:51:50 -0500 I'm running GNU Emacs 21.2.1 (i386-redhat-linux-gnu, X Toolkit, Xaw3d scroll bars) of 2002-04-08 on porky.devel.redhat.com, on Linux 7.3 "Drag scrolling" doesn't work. Clicking on the scroll bar and holding just results in a page down when releasing the click. Also, left clicking below the scroll bar scrolls down a page normally, but left clicking above the scrool bar results in scrolling down a page. Right clicking above the scroll bar wll scroll 1 line at a tme instead of a page. And Besides all that, I'd like the scroll bars to be positioned to the right? Is this configuration work or a bug? Dane Meyer Advantage Software Big Sandy, Texas _______________________________________________ Bug-gnu-emacs mailing list Bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnu-emacs ------- End of forwarded message -------