From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Several serious problems Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 11:11:35 -0600 (MDT) Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: <200207221711.g6MHBZo02496@aztec.santafe.edu> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1027358621 11820 127.0.0.1 (22 Jul 2002 17:23:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 17:23:41 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 17WguJ-00034X-00 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 19:23:39 +0200 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 17Wh8D-000210-00 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 19:38:02 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17WgjQ-0001kZ-00; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 13:12:24 -0400 Original-Received: from pele.santafe.edu ([192.12.12.119]) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17Wgim-0001iH-00; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 13:11:44 -0400 Original-Received: from aztec.santafe.edu (aztec [192.12.12.49]) by pele.santafe.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g6MHBhB09229; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 11:11:43 -0600 (MDT) Original-Received: (from rms@localhost) by aztec.santafe.edu (8.10.2+Sun/8.9.3) id g6MHBZo02496; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 11:11:35 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: aztec.santafe.edu: rms set sender to rms@aztec using -f Original-To: handa@etl.go.jp, spiegel@gnu.org, savannah-hackers@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:5969 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:5969 I cannot save the file lisp/ChangeLog. It specifies coding system iso-2022-7bit, but it contains something that cannot be encoded in that coding system. I don't know any way to find the text that causes the problem; essentially I am helpless. Handa-san, would you please clean up whatever is wrong with that file so that it can save properly once again? We MUST do something to make it easier for users to cope with such a situation. We talked about this a few weeks ago but nothing was done. Perhaps we could add a command which simply scans forward for the next run of characters that can't be saved in the specified coding system. The message you get in that situation could tell you about this command. This would be a powerful solution, since you could easily find all the problems, not just the first one. Highlighting all of them would also be a useful thing to do. This problem prevented me from commiting changes to the file from Emacs. I was able to edit and save the file using find-file-literally, but when I tried to commit the changes, C-x v v tried to revisit the file non-literally. I think that is a serious bug in VC. VC should cope with visiting a file literally. Andre, would you please fix that? So I tried typing `cd lisp; cvs commit ChangeLog'. It put me into vi to ask me to edit a log message. Damn! I killed it, set EDITOR and VISUAL to `emacs', and tried again. This time it gave me Emacs to edit with. I deleted all the text, saved the log message file, and exited Emacs. cvs obnoxiously complained about the empty log message and asked me what to do. I typed `c RET' meaning "continue". At that point it never came back to me. Now the emacs/lisp directory is locked and nobody can do anything in it any more. Savannah people, would you please delete the lock?