From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juanma Barranquero Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: ehelp woes, or why I hate a module that I love so much Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2002 14:08:38 +0200 Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: <20020704135240.4CBB.LEKTU@terra.es> References: <20020704092157.4CB2.LEKTU@terra.es> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1025784769 8197 127.0.0.1 (4 Jul 2002 12:12:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 12:12:49 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 17Q5Tc-000286-00 for ; Thu, 04 Jul 2002 14:12:48 +0200 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 17Q5Zb-0007Qs-00 for ; Thu, 04 Jul 2002 14:18:59 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 17Q5Sx-0004uo-00; Thu, 04 Jul 2002 08:12:07 -0400 Original-Received: from [62.22.27.141] (helo=mail.peoplecall.com) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 17Q5QU-0004k8-00; Thu, 04 Jul 2002 08:09:34 -0400 Original-Received: from [62.22.27.143] (jbarranquero.ofi.peoplecall.com [62.22.27.143] (may be forged)) by mail.peoplecall.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g64C8ae09038; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 14:08:39 +0200 Original-To: Simon Josefsson In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Becky! ver. 2.05 Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:5450 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:5450 On Thu, 04 Jul 2002 13:02:12 +0200, Simon Josefsson wrote= : > I think having Emacs support Guile would be very visible to users, as > it likely would mean having threads which UI wise is probably the most > important new feature added to Emacs since it started supporting > windowing systems. OK, threads per se are good, but why should they be contingent on using Guile? They are now, because the plan is switching to Guile someday and it's absurd to duplicate efforts to discard them soon after. But perhaps adding thread support to Emacs/elisp is easier than doing the conversion from Emacs/elisp to Emacs/Guile. Who knows? =46rom my (admittedly not very informed) perspective, the Emacs/Guile thing seems to be going nowhere (or, if it is going somewhere, it's doing it very quietly and off side). Meanwhile, some developments seem stagnated (though I'm very glad to see the lexbind work), and some people has abandoned Emacs *because* of Guile. I'm not going to reopen that Pandora box. It seems a decission was reached some time ago and it's not going to change. But I wonder, if a poll where made into the people who's actively developing Emacs (and not just Guile), how many would think the conversion is worth the trouble. > But generally I agree, most developers help a project because they > find something fun to work on, and if that is discouraged they get > bored and do something else instead Don't take me wrong. I agree with that, but I also believe that thinking on a bigger scale and having goals is good. It's just that one issue and the other shouldn't be (felt) such at odds. (Disclaimer: the longer the message, the less understandable is my English. Sorry about that.) /L/e/k/t/u