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From: Juanma Barranquero <lektu@terra.es>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: ehelp woes, or why I hate a module that I love so much
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 19:11:13 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20020627190100.35DA.LEKTU@terra.es> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E17NLD6-0003JZ-00@fencepost.gnu.org>

On Wed, 26 Jun 2002 18:24:24 -0400, Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> wrote:

> I don't think anyone else is working on this, so if you want to
> develop these changes, please do.

First I'd like to get some input from people around here regarding why
it is necessary for ehelp to use its own command-loop. I sure would like
to get rid of it.

AFAICS, the command-loop is used only to (sort of) "force" the user to
do only pg-up, pg-down, quit, retain, etc. and show a prompt in the echo
area.

But in fact it is perfectly posible to switch to another window, kill
the electrified buffer, etc., so the command-loop is more of a nuisance
than any kind of help.

I think ehelp is conflating two different things: a framework to make
temporary, small-sized windows at the bottom of the frame and restore
the window configuration afterwards, and an "electric" interface to get
a reminding prompt and to dismiss the window with just one keystroke.

IMHO, there should be a splicit framework for temporary, small-sized
windows (using fit-window-to-buffer, etc), but its "electricity" should
be limited to defining a few useful keybindings. Moving around is
self-evident (I mean, all modes have a way to move around), and quitting
and remaining are just particular cases of burying or killing the buffer
or switching to another window. Or am I missing something important here?


                                                           /L/e/k/t/u

  reply	other threads:[~2002-06-27 17:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-06-25 14:50 ehelp woes, or why I hate a module that I love so much Juanma Barranquero
2002-06-25 15:06 ` D. Goel
2002-06-25 15:41   ` Juanma Barranquero
2002-06-26 22:24 ` Richard Stallman
2002-06-27 17:11   ` Juanma Barranquero [this message]
2002-06-27 19:57     ` Stefan Monnier
2002-07-02 15:02       ` Juanma Barranquero
2002-07-02 15:18         ` Stefan Monnier
2002-07-02 15:50           ` Juanma Barranquero
2002-06-29  8:41     ` Richard Stallman
2002-07-02 15:15       ` Juanma Barranquero
2002-07-02 15:49         ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-07-03 11:16           ` Juanma Barranquero
2002-07-03 20:57         ` Richard Stallman
2002-07-03 21:32           ` Simon Josefsson
2002-07-04  5:09             ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-07-04  7:58           ` Juanma Barranquero
2002-07-04 10:13             ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-07-04 11:52               ` Juanma Barranquero
2002-07-06 10:38                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-07-04 11:02             ` Simon Josefsson
2002-07-04 12:08               ` Juanma Barranquero
2002-07-04 12:19                 ` Miles Bader
2002-07-04 13:31                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2002-07-04 14:02                   ` Simon Josefsson
2002-07-04 14:00                 ` Simon Josefsson
2002-07-04 15:20                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2002-07-17  2:58                     ` emacs and guile (Re: ehelp woes, or why I hate a module that I love so much) Ken Raeburn
2002-07-17  7:13                       ` Juanma Barranquero
2002-07-17  9:11                       ` Kai Großjohann
2002-07-18 14:54                         ` Richard Stallman
2002-07-18 21:45                         ` Ken Raeburn
2002-07-18 14:55                       ` Richard Stallman
2002-07-18 20:13                         ` Ken Raeburn
2002-07-19 13:03                           ` Andreas Schwab
2002-07-19 16:24                             ` Ken Raeburn
2002-07-19 16:54                           ` Richard Stallman
2002-07-19 17:51                             ` Ken Raeburn
2002-07-18 14:56                       ` Richard Stallman
2002-07-18 19:54                         ` Ken Raeburn
2002-07-19  4:23                           ` Stefan Monnier
2002-07-19 12:56                             ` Ken Raeburn
2002-07-19 13:34                               ` Stefan Monnier
2002-07-19 14:16                                 ` Andreas Schwab
2002-07-19 15:04                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2002-07-19 16:54                           ` Richard Stallman
2002-07-19 17:48                             ` Ken Raeburn
2002-07-19 18:25                             ` Marius Vollmer
2002-07-20  0:35                               ` Richard Stallman
2002-07-20 12:00                                 ` Marius Vollmer
2002-07-21 20:14                                   ` Richard Stallman
2002-07-19 16:54                           ` Richard Stallman
2002-07-04 19:07             ` ehelp woes, or why I hate a module that I love so much Henrik Enberg
2002-07-05  0:49               ` Juanma Barranquero
2002-07-05 11:15                 ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-07-05 10:48             ` Richard Stallman

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