From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stefan Monnier" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Patch to disable links line in *info* buffer Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 17:52:37 -0400 Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: <200206102152.g5ALqc531086@rum.cs.yale.edu> References: <87bsaos1fl.fsf@orebokech.com> <200206072322.g57NMtK27277@aztec.santafe.edu> <5xbsam1tje.fsf@kfs2.cua.dk> <87wut9tppe.fsf@orebokech.com> <200206101359.g5ADx7b28021@rum.cs.yale.edu> <200206101728.g5AHSjQ29188@rum.cs.yale.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1023746071 8046 127.0.0.1 (10 Jun 2002 21:54:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 21:54:31 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 17HX7P-00025f-00 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 23:54:31 +0200 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 17HXUR-0003Yw-00 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 00:18:19 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 17HX76-00068E-00; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 17:54:12 -0400 Original-Received: from rum.cs.yale.edu ([128.36.229.169]) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 17HX5c-0005vO-00 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 17:52:40 -0400 Original-Received: (from monnier@localhost) by rum.cs.yale.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g5ALqc531086; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 17:52:38 -0400 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.4 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 Original-To: "Robert J. Chassell" Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.9 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:4725 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:4725 > ... hide the first line by scrolling (rather than by > narrow-to-region as is currently done), so that the deep info is > readily available, although it's not annoyingly in-your-face like > it is now. > > This fails the `newbie' test. Some years ago, when I first learned > about the `Info-top-node' command, I tried it. (I still use it often, > to get to the main menu.) You are suggesting that when a newbie first > looks at the beginning of an Info file, he or she not see an old style > header line in addition to its current header line ; but that when she > goes back to the beginning of an Info file, it look different from > what it was and show *two* nearly similer header lines. Info-top-node will not show that line either. Look, several people (myself included) dislike having both the header-line and the "normal" text line. I want the header-line because it's always accessible. You want to be able to copy the text of the node name easily. I don't think someone will come up with a way to copy the text from the mode-line and/or the header-line any time soon, because it's simply non trivial (for the simple reason that the mapping between the "deep" info and what is actually displayed is itself non trivial). So if you can come up with a perfect solution, great, but I'm willing to settle for the "scroll out of view" since it is simple and gets most people 90% satisfied. I still haven't heard any other concrete proposal. Stefan