From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Assignment of misc packages for emacs Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 16:27:18 -0600 (MDT) Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: <200205222227.g4MMRIX29393@aztec.santafe.edu> References: <200205050534.g455YfF01634@aztec.santafe.edu> <5xbsbumexh.fsf@kfs2.cua.dk> <200205141941.g4EJfud15293@aztec.santafe.edu> <5xvg9qmgzt.fsf@kfs2.cua.dk> <200205151927.g4FJRRW26103@rum.cs.yale.edu> <5x3cwr4q7m.fsf@kfs2.cua.dk> <87g00rd74y.fsf@tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp> <87sn4otknt.fsf@tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp> <200205191441.g4JEfMg23080@rum.cs.yale.edu> <200205202134.g4KLYHj26031@aztec.santafe.edu> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1022107360 23755 127.0.0.1 (22 May 2002 22:42:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 22:42:40 +0000 (UTC) Cc: monnier+gnu/emacs@RUM.cs.yale.edu, storm@cua.dk, emacs-devel@gnu.org Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 17Aeoa-0006B1-00 for ; Thu, 23 May 2002 00:42:40 +0200 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 17Af3h-0000eK-00 for ; Thu, 23 May 2002 00:58:17 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 17Aecv-0007sl-00; Wed, 22 May 2002 18:30:37 -0400 Original-Received: from pele.santafe.edu ([192.12.12.119]) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 17AeZk-0007Jo-00; Wed, 22 May 2002 18:27:20 -0400 Original-Received: from aztec.santafe.edu (aztec [192.12.12.49]) by pele.santafe.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id g4MMRIm18002; Wed, 22 May 2002 16:27:18 -0600 (MDT) Original-Received: (from rms@localhost) by aztec.santafe.edu (8.10.2+Sun/8.9.3) id g4MMRIX29393; Wed, 22 May 2002 16:27:18 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: aztec.santafe.edu: rms set sender to rms@aztec using -f Original-To: miles@gnu.org In-Reply-To: (message from Miles Bader on 21 May 2002 19:20:48 +0900) Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.9 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:4295 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:4295 I tried that with actual bold characters, and it seems reasonable -- a single bold character doesn't stand out all that much, but it can be seen (using my fonts at least), and has the advantage of not obscuring the actual labels like some puncuation does. An alternative would be to use underlining, which would match what many menu systems use to indicate key-to-letter-in-a-menu-label correspondences. I also find that underlining makes the keys more obvious, also without obscuring the labels. Whether it is bold or underlined is just a matter of how we define the face that it uses, right? One point about this style: I tried with both one and two spaces as separators following the commas, and I found it much more readable with two spaces. Do you feel it needs two spaces *and* a comma? What about if we delete the spaces around the ='s, as Mario Lang suggested? Is there any reason we couldn't make it call out to lisp to do the formatting? It's ok with me if someone finds it easy to do.