From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: German tutorial fix Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 23:30:23 -0600 (MDT) Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: <200205190530.g4J5UNa22924@aztec.santafe.edu> References: <87y9emho8s.fsf@lexx.delysid.org> <200205160722.g4G7M8X18181@aztec.santafe.edu> <3277-Thu16May2002155214+0300-eliz@is.elta.co.il> <200205171928.g4HJSdw20390@aztec.santafe.edu> <87znyywagx.fsf@pot.cnuce.cnr.it> <87adqyz047.fsf@tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1021786396 3715 127.0.0.1 (19 May 2002 05:33:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 05:33:16 +0000 (UTC) Cc: miles@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, mlang@delysid.org, Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE, eliz@is.elta.co.il Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 179JJk-0000xo-00 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 07:33:16 +0200 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 179JX3-0006th-00 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 07:47:01 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 179JK2-0000AH-00; Sun, 19 May 2002 01:33:34 -0400 Original-Received: from pele.santafe.edu ([192.12.12.119]) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 179JGz-0008F8-00; Sun, 19 May 2002 01:30:25 -0400 Original-Received: from aztec.santafe.edu (aztec [192.12.12.49]) by pele.santafe.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id g4J5UNk20252; Sat, 18 May 2002 23:30:23 -0600 (MDT) Original-Received: (from rms@localhost) by aztec.santafe.edu (8.10.2+Sun/8.9.3) id g4J5UNa22924; Sat, 18 May 2002 23:30:23 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: aztec.santafe.edu: rms set sender to rms@aztec using -f Original-To: pot@gnu.org In-Reply-To: (message from Francesco Potorti` on Sat, 18 May 2002 13:59:04 +0200) Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.9 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:4113 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:4113 Using control characters is more efficient than using the arrow keys, so I don't think we should stop teaching people to use them. However, people are right that users will probably understand what the arrow keys do, which means we can use them to explain the control characters. We also should tell users why we recommend the control characters. Here's the change I am thinking of making. Any suggestions? *** TUTORIAL.~1.49.~ Tue Apr 23 12:14:20 2002 --- TUTORIAL Sat May 18 21:36:22 2002 *************** *** 50,55 **** --- 50,59 ---- Find the cursor again and notice that the same text is near the cursor now. + You can also use the PageUp and PageDn keys to do scrolling, if your + terminal has them, but you can edit more efficiently if you use C-v + and M-v. + * BASIC CURSOR CONTROL ---------------------- *************** *** 57,67 **** Moving from screenful to screenful is useful, but how do you move to a specific place within the text on the screen? ! There are several ways you can do this. The most basic way is to use ! the commands C-p, C-b, C-f, and C-n. Each of these commands moves the ! cursor one row or column in a particular direction on the screen. ! Here is a table showing these four commands and the directions they ! move: Previous line, C-p : --- 61,70 ---- Moving from screenful to screenful is useful, but how do you move to a specific place within the text on the screen? ! There are several ways you can do this. You can use the arrow keys, ! but it's more efficient to keep your hands in the standard position ! and use the commands C-p, C-b, C-f, and C-n. These characters ! are equivalent to the four arrow keys, like this: Previous line, C-p : *************** *** 75,84 **** using C-n or C-p. Then type C-l to see the whole diagram centered in the screen. ! You'll probably find it easy to think of these by letter: P for ! previous, N for next, B for backward and F for forward. These are the ! basic cursor positioning commands, and you'll be using them ALL the ! time, so it would be of great benefit if you learn them now. >> Do a few C-n's to bring the cursor down to this line. --- 78,86 ---- using C-n or C-p. Then type C-l to see the whole diagram centered in the screen. ! You'll find it easy to remember these letters by words they stand for: ! P for previous, N for next, B for backward and F for forward. You ! will be using these basic cursor positioning commands all the time. >> Do a few C-n's to bring the cursor down to this line.