From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stefan Monnier" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Enhancements to options menu (was Re: Reveal mode) Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 19:59:46 -0400 Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: <200205072359.g47Nxk108577@rum.cs.yale.edu> References: <200204302119.g3ULJAP06813@aztec.santafe.edu> <5xznzj30j0.fsf_-_@kfs2.cua.dk> <200205031825.g43IP3e00651@aztec.santafe.edu> <5xwuuk6b4q.fsf@kfs2.cua.dk> <200205052315.g45NFFE29713@rum.cs.yale.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1020816068 12954 127.0.0.1 (8 May 2002 00:01:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 00:01:08 +0000 (UTC) Cc: "Stefan Monnier" , Thien-Thi Nguyen , storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm), rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 175EtH-0003Mp-00 for ; Wed, 08 May 2002 02:01:07 +0200 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 175F19-0003SL-00 for ; Wed, 08 May 2002 02:09:15 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 175EsQ-00018p-00; Tue, 07 May 2002 20:00:14 -0400 Original-Received: from rum.cs.yale.edu ([128.36.229.169]) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 175Es1-00015P-00; Tue, 07 May 2002 19:59:49 -0400 Original-Received: (from monnier@localhost) by rum.cs.yale.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g47Nxk108577; Tue, 7 May 2002 19:59:46 -0400 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.4 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 Original-To: Pavel@Janik.cz (Pavel =?iso-8859-2?q?Jan=EDk?=) Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.9 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:3689 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:3689 > > As for the fringes, I would rather not advertise the ability to > > remove them (to new users). > Well, but this was the most asked question just after releasing 21.1... So > users (and even novice users) wanted to remove it. I'm not sure whether those users were novices, but even if they were, that's not relevant. My point is that fringes are good and if a novice removes them because she thinks she doesn't need them, she'll probably hit problems later on because of it. We don't break Java's memory safety just because some novice Java programmers might ask "how do I do pointer arithmetic". Stefan