From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Enhancements to options menu (was Re: Reveal mode) Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 09:01:57 -0600 (MDT) Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: <200205041501.g44F1vm01192@aztec.santafe.edu> References: <200204302119.g3ULJAP06813@aztec.santafe.edu> <5xznzj30j0.fsf_-_@kfs2.cua.dk> <200205031825.g43IP3e00651@aztec.santafe.edu> <5xwuuk6b4q.fsf@kfs2.cua.dk> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1020524618 25741 127.0.0.1 (4 May 2002 15:03:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 15:03:38 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Pavel@Janik.cz, emacs-devel@gnu.org Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 17414U-0006h4-00 for ; Sat, 04 May 2002 17:03:38 +0200 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 1741Ai-0002Pb-00 for ; Sat, 04 May 2002 17:10:04 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 174145-00024b-00; Sat, 04 May 2002 11:03:13 -0400 Original-Received: from pele.santafe.edu ([192.12.12.119]) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 17412t-0001rE-00; Sat, 04 May 2002 11:01:59 -0400 Original-Received: from aztec.santafe.edu (aztec [192.12.12.49]) by pele.santafe.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id g44F1wk04893; Sat, 4 May 2002 09:01:58 -0600 (MDT) Original-Received: (from rms@localhost) by aztec.santafe.edu (8.10.2+Sun/8.9.3) id g44F1vm01192; Sat, 4 May 2002 09:01:57 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: aztec.santafe.edu: rms set sender to rms@aztec using -f Original-To: storm@cua.dk In-Reply-To: <5xwuuk6b4q.fsf@kfs2.cua.dk> (storm@cua.dk) Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.9 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:3579 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:3579 That's ok. However, for new users, I would like to have something a little less overwhelming (and easier to browse) than the full-blown customize interface. Why do you think it is "overwhelming"? What makes it difficult to browse? Perhaps Custom can be improved, but if we want to have any chance to improve it, we need to think more concretely. If we want to make a drastic change, we should use the existing Custom data structure and build another interface to use it. > We should > encourage users to use that facility instead. If it is not good > enough, we should improve it. Maybe we could create a "preferences" page which contains toggles for, say, 25 commonly used options, and also a link to the customize group for that option. I don't understand this proposal. For instance, you speak of a "page"; what does that mean here? Could you use the standard term for whatever entity you have in mind? The only "pages" in Emacs are the ones that C-x C-p handles.