From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Buffers menu question Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 15:19:38 -0600 (MDT) Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: <200204302119.g3ULJcb06876@aztec.santafe.edu> References: <871yd6cw8q.fsf@tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp> <200204241755.g3OHtgQ03421@aztec.santafe.edu> <1190-Fri26Apr2002143254+0300-eliz@is.elta.co.il> <87adrqzlk9.fsf@tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp> <5137-Fri26Apr2002193932+0300-eliz@is.elta.co.il> <87y9faxb7e.fsf@tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp> <200204282116.g3SLGTG05837@aztec.santafe.edu> <874rhv4f4a.fsf@tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp> <200204291840.g3TIeJ606392@aztec.santafe.edu> <87k7qq56a6.fsf@tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1020235765 20336 127.0.0.1 (1 May 2002 06:49:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 06:49:25 +0000 (UTC) Cc: eliz@is.elta.co.il, emacs-devel@gnu.org Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 172nvZ-0005Ht-00 for ; Wed, 01 May 2002 08:49:25 +0200 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 172o0B-0003Ts-00 for ; Wed, 01 May 2002 08:54:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 172mBv-0003WE-00; Wed, 01 May 2002 00:58:11 -0400 Original-Received: from pele.santafe.edu ([192.12.12.119]) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 172f2C-0006SK-00; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 17:19:40 -0400 Original-Received: from aztec.santafe.edu (aztec [192.12.12.49]) by pele.santafe.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id g3ULJck02955; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 15:19:38 -0600 (MDT) Original-Received: (from rms@localhost) by aztec.santafe.edu (8.10.2+Sun/8.9.3) id g3ULJcb06876; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 15:19:38 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: aztec.santafe.edu: rms set sender to rms@aztec using -f Original-To: miles@gnu.org In-Reply-To: <87k7qq56a6.fsf@tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp> (message from Miles Bader on 30 Apr 2002 10:22:57 +0900) Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.9 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:3470 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:3470 If you could use something besides SPC that was visually undistracting enough to not be a problem, you could use that as alternative to the SPC character. However, it seems certain that you couldn't use the _same_ character as the `SPC alternative' for both `*' and '%' (the width `*' often seems to be quite narrow, whereas the width of `%' is often very wide), so this might lead to having a very confusing jumble of cryptic-looking characters... No, I don't have practical experience with fonts nowadays. It was on other systems, in the past, that I noticed many punctuation characters typically had similar widths. If there are no suitable alternatives for * and % today, perhaps the best thing to do is double them and put them inside parens, and leave them at the end. That would make them more visible, which I think is the aim. If the suggestion to display them with a foreground that matches the background can actually be implemented, that could be good. Then they could go at the front and everything could be aligned.