From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Paul Eggert Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: across terminals Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 13:45:32 -0700 (PDT) Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: <200204252045.g3PKjWk14583@shade.twinsun.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1019767732 19023 127.0.0.1 (25 Apr 2002 20:48:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 20:48:52 +0000 (UTC) Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 170qAe-0004wg-00 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 22:48:52 +0200 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 170qCx-0003iG-00 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 22:51:16 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 170qAB-0003Tu-00; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 16:48:23 -0400 Original-Received: from alcor.twinsun.com ([198.147.65.9]) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 170q7R-0003L6-00 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 16:45:33 -0400 Original-Received: from shade.twinsun.com ([192.54.239.27]) by alcor.twinsun.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g3PKjWPd018543 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 13:45:32 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: (eggert@localhost) by shade.twinsun.com (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) id g3PKjWk14583; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 13:45:32 -0700 (PDT) Original-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org In-Reply-To: (eliz@is.elta.co.il) Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.9 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:3272 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:3272 > From: Eli Zaretskii > Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 14:20:46 +0300 (IDT) > > > I have never seen a terminal that did not have these characters: > > # $ @ [ \ ] ^ _ ` { | } ~ > > If they do exist, they must be rare > > Unfortunately, this isn't true: many national keyboards in Europe don't > have keys for some of those ( {, |, and } seem to be most prone to > this). You need to press some AltGr-key combination to get them. Yes. For example, according to , the only printable characters common to all the Western European IBM 106 keyboards are the ASCII letters, digits, and the following: ! " % & ' ( ) * + , - . / : ; _ The following printable ASCII characters are absent from at least one keyboard in that list: # $ <= > ? @ [ \ ] ^ ` { | } ~ > IIRC, \ and _ have some issues on Japanese keyboards. We do have a few Japanese keyboards here, and characters like \ are not a real problem with them. Japanese users are well aware that the Yen-sign character is actually an alias for \, so they know that if the documentation says "Please type C-\" that they should actually type Control-(yen-sign). Some Japanese keyboards have both a yen-sign and a backslash on the key, to indicate the alias. > I remember that someone told me SIGQUIT was a pain in some European > country (Germany?) because you need a combination of keys to produce \. Yes, and it works the other way sometimes too. For example, it's a pain to type a NUL on Unix US English Sun type 5 keyboard (Control-Shift-2), but it's easier on a Japanese Information Standard English IBM 106 keyboard (Control-@).