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    I didn't get fancy with the install suggestion, after all, the grab only
    causes problem if you suspend or stop Emacs while a menu is posted.  Surely
    one can start Emacs from within the debugger in that case?

Assume you did start Emacs from the debugger--if it hits a breakpoint
while a menu is posted, how do you type anything at the debugger?
Your console is hosed!  I've seen things like this happen with grabs
in Emacs before.

So I think it is important to have something that will help prevent
this problem case.  Testing for an uninstalled Emacs was the idea I
had.  Do you have another idea for a default criterion?