From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: reducing defface redundancy Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 18:24:17 -0600 (MDT) Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: <200204230024.g3N0OH702333@aztec.santafe.edu> References: <877kn3qczq.fsf@tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp> <871yd9q09b.fsf@tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp> <200204220747.g3M7lo301995@aztec.santafe.edu> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1019521662 6158 127.0.0.1 (23 Apr 2002 00:27:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 00:27:42 +0000 (UTC) Cc: abraham@dina.kvl.dk, emacs-devel@gnu.org Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 16zo9l-0001bC-00 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 02:27:41 +0200 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 16zoAh-0003YZ-00 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 02:28:40 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16zo9J-0007yW-00; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 20:27:13 -0400 Original-Received: from pele.santafe.edu ([192.12.12.119]) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16zo6W-0007gw-00; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 20:24:20 -0400 Original-Received: from aztec.santafe.edu (aztec [192.12.12.49]) by pele.santafe.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id g3N0OHa01374; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 18:24:18 -0600 (MDT) Original-Received: (from rms@localhost) by aztec.santafe.edu (8.10.2+Sun/8.9.3) id g3N0OH702333; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 18:24:17 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: aztec.santafe.edu: rms set sender to rms@aztec using -f Original-To: miles@gnu.org In-Reply-To: (message from Miles Bader on 22 Apr 2002 17:15:01 +0900) Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.9 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:3062 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:3062 I replied to Per's question about this in some detail, but here's the short version: You can think of the grammar I outlined as merely being a convenient shorthand for the defface user; it's not hard to convert it into exactly the same `simple but redundant' 2-level format that the UI uses now. I am not convinced that is a good solution to the issue of what Custom should do. Suppose I give a face one unconditional attribute, and suppose the user customizes that attribute with Custom. Should his customization always be recorded only for the one kind of screen he is actually using?