From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Final(?) patch for server sockets and datagram (UDP) support. Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 05:42:33 -0700 (MST) Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: <200203141242.g2ECgXO06190@wijiji.santafe.edu> References: <5xwux64cxe.fsf@kfs2.cua.dk> <5xg03pyyo3.fsf@kfs2.cua.dk> <5xadtvuodz.fsf@kfs2.cua.dk> <200202280408.g1S48QG19264@aztec.santafe.edu> <5xvgchkui4.fsf@kfs2.cua.dk> <200203012123.g21LNvS20494@aztec.santafe.edu> <5xofi1p7cz.fsf_-_@kfs2.cua.dk> <5xg03cprxi.fsf@kfs2.cua.dk> <874rjsd2uc.fsf@gnu.org> <5xbse0pn55.fsf@kfs2.cua.dk> <200203082106.g28L6CM03188@wijiji.santafe.edu> <5xbsdsea1a.fsf@kfs2.cua.dk> <5xd6y8nji8.fsf_-_@kfs2.cua.dk> <200203140050.QAA25591@radish.petrofsky.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1016110540 30719 127.0.0.1 (14 Mar 2002 12:55:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:55:40 +0000 (UTC) Cc: storm@cua.dk, emacs-devel@gnu.org, helmut@212186011228.11.tuwien.teleweb.at Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 16lUlf-0007zN-00 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 13:55:39 +0100 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 16lUok-0008WF-00 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 13:58:50 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16lUbq-0006ZH-00; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 07:45:30 -0500 Original-Received: from pele.santafe.edu ([192.12.12.119]) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16lUZ0-0006IP-00; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 07:42:35 -0500 Original-Received: from wijiji.santafe.edu (wijiji [192.12.12.5]) by pele.santafe.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id g2ECgYa04714; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 05:42:34 -0700 (MST) Original-Received: (from rms@localhost) by wijiji.santafe.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.3) id g2ECgXO06190; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 05:42:33 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: wijiji.santafe.edu: rms set sender to rms@wijiji using -f Original-To: al@petrofsky.org In-Reply-To: <200203140050.QAA25591@radish.petrofsky.org> (message from Al Petrofsky on Wed, 13 Mar 2002 16:50:12 -0800) Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:1929 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:1929 It's always been a bit confusing that emacs uses the term process for sockets that have no associated process. That confusion will get a little worse now that emacs processes will include server and datagram sockets, which don't even share processes' stream-like nature. In principle, you are right, but practically speaking it would be a lot of work to change this. I see no simple name word that does clearly fit process-or-stream-or-network-port, so any alternative would have its own drawbacks, even if they are lesser drawbacks. Meanwhile, working with process objects is a fairly advanced part of Emacs Lisp programming. I think the people who write such programs can cope with a suboptimal name. I'm not saying we should rename everything now to fix this, but I think it would help if the start of the "make-network-process" doc string immediately disclaimed any relationship to a unix process. That would be a good idea. _______________________________________________ Emacs-devel mailing list Emacs-devel@gnu.org http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-devel