From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: quimby.gnus.org!not-for-mail From: Kenichi Handa Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: "Outer world" encoding for non-Latin1 language environments Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 20:46:12 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <200202271146.UAA05467@etlken.m17n.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: quimby2.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.3 - "Ushinoya") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: quimby2.netfonds.no 1014810735 29715 195.204.10.66 (27 Feb 2002 11:52:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@quimby2.netfonds.no NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Feb 2002 11:52:15 GMT Cc: anton@lml.bas.bg, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by quimby2.netfonds.no with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 16g2d4-0007jB-00 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 12:52:15 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 16g2ZE-00036b-00; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 06:48:16 -0500 Original-Received: from tsukuba.m17n.org ([192.47.44.130]) by fencepost.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 16g2XR-00034x-00 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 06:46:26 -0500 Original-Received: from fs.m17n.org (fs.m17n.org [192.47.44.2]) by tsukuba.m17n.org (8.11.6/3.7W-20010518204228) with ESMTP id g1RBkDw05499; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 20:46:13 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from handa@m17n.org) Original-Received: from etlken.m17n.org (etlken.m17n.org [192.47.44.125]) by fs.m17n.org (8.11.3/3.7W-20010823150639) with ESMTP id g1RBkCM07816; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 20:46:12 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: (from handa@localhost) by etlken.m17n.org (8.8.8+Sun/3.7W-2001040620) id UAA05467; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 20:46:12 +0900 (JST) Original-To: eliz@is.elta.co.il In-reply-to: message from Eli Zaretskii on Wed, 27 Feb 2002 13:10:41 +0200 (IST) User-Agent: SEMI/1.14.3 (Ushinoya) FLIM/1.14.2 (Yagi-Nishiguchi) APEL/10.2 Emacs/21.1.30 (sparc-sun-solaris2.6) MULE/5.0 (SAKAKI) Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: quimby.gnus.org gmane.emacs.devel:1593 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:1593 Eli Zaretskii writes: > On Wed, 27 Feb 2002, Anton Zinoviev wrote: >> Even when users choose some non-Latin1 language environment Emacs >> doesn't suppose that it's new default encoding is actually the >> encoding of the X-clipboard, the console font, etc. This can be >> easily changed in this way: > Why change it? The default for X selections is compound-text, which can > handle many different languages/scripts mixed in a single selection. > What you propose (to set it to koi8-u) will limit the selections to a > single charset. Why is that a good idea? It may be good for such koi8-u environment that uses koi8-u encoding directly for X selection and all the other X applications expect that. But, such a usage is against X's ICCCM (Inter-Client Communication Conventions Manual) that says STRING type selection can contain ASCII and Latin-1 only. And it seems that the world is moving toward using UTF-8 or using "Non-Standard Character Set Encodings" of compound-text. Are there any consensus in koi8-u community for such a usage (i.e. using koi8-u directly in X selection)? If not, I too agree with Eli. Keep on using compound-text as the default coding system for X selection is better. By the way, the support for "Non-Standard Character Set Encodings" in compound-text is recently added to Emacs by the effort of Eli. Currently it doesn't support koi8-u because we haven't heard that people started to use that method for koi8-u. --- Ken'ichi HANDA handa@etl.go.jp _______________________________________________ Emacs-devel mailing list Emacs-devel@gnu.org http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-devel