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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:262451 Archived-At: > To take the already-mentioned case as an example -- Martin wanted to > have us try out horizontal scroll bars to see whether they work, so he'd > flip them on, and announce on emacs-devel "these default to on for a > week, and then we'll discuss". That's a pipe dream. My announcement back then was: Note that horizontal scrollbars are turned on by default on all builds that support them. This is the only way I see to get them at least some initial coverage. If you utterly dislike them (or do not use scrollbars at all) please use the idiom (when (fboundp 'horizontal-scroll-bar-mode) (horizontal-scroll-bar-mode -1)) I intend to disable horizontal scrollbars by default in the next weeks. What could I have done more? martin