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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -50 X-Spam_score: -5.1 X-Spam_bar: ----- X-Spam_report: (-5.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, NICE_REPLY_A=-3.576, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:255112 Archived-At: On 11.09.2020 00:21, Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions. wrote: > > I'm not a maintainer, but FWIW my opinion is that what will most likely > happen is that they will never agree to do this.  Menus are not "modern". That's certainly the current trend in Emacs customizations, but it's not a universal rule. VS Code has a traditional menu. Atom has a menu. Visual Studio and IntelliJ IDEA of course have them too.