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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:325645 Archived-At: Björn, > Change is hard but without change issues will potentially keep existing. > Making use of features that different systems offer can help to relieve > some of the friction and make communication of changes easier. > > It would be best to take the things learned by people outside of the > personal bubble into account. Often they can show use things that we > have become blind to or would have never thought of in the first place. Your comments could be interpreted as condescending, so as to suggest that Eli and the Emacs maintainers were stubbornly ignorant of development practices outside of the GNU Emacs project. The history of this project, recent and not, and of these maintainers' practices, shows clearly that that is not the case. The Emacs software, as well as its development methodologies, have evolved steadily, sometimes at a pace that is criticized for being too fast. As well, none of these maintainers are paid for their efforts, so they bring to this task the lessons they have learned in their professional work, which they have done for many years, and which is often on software very different from Emacs, and developed very differently from how Emacs is. So to imply that the maintainers are not well versed in alternatives, and that their decisions for this project are made carelessly, borders on rudeness. Eli patiently explained why these practices are used, and until you wrangle a project as large and varied as this one, you ought to present your suggestions more respectfully. --Adam