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From: Daniel Mendler <mail@daniel-mendler.de>
To: Philip Kaludercic <philipk@posteo.net>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Stepping Back: A Wealth Of Completion systems Re: [ELPA] New package: vertico
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 22:03:10 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1a701fa9-52e9-df8c-562a-6e793e2347a1@daniel-mendler.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87o8eplxgt.fsf@posteo.net>

On 4/7/21 9:13 PM, Philip Kaludercic wrote:
> I'm still thinking about all of this, and have to find the time to
> implement a prototype. It might make sense to have a similar approach to
> completing-read, where a variable like completing-read-function can
> change everything.
> 
> A tree-like visualisation would probably make more sense, as long as it
> can be manipulated using the keyboard. I mentioned org-mode thinking of
> the org-cycle command, and how it allows you to hide and show subtrees.

I am looking forward to seeing a prototype!

> I use the default completion system, so for me it is not about filtering
> a data set but expanding a string. Just to reiterate, this is exactly
> the point I am bringing this up.

Well, but what does this mean in the context of opening a file? I guess, 
you are not interested in the string (the file name) alone but in the 
end you want to select a file?

> Well FWIW I'm not. I used Ivy for a long while, but ultimately gave it
> up. There has been a lot of talk about {Selectrum,Embark,Orderless,...}
> recently but I am not convinced that the approach these packages take
> are on the right level. The only way to find out is to try something
> else on the level I suspect there might be more potential for a better
> solution.

Why? I would love to hear a more detailed criticism since I am involved 
with those packages. You are again a bit vague. These packages just try 
to work with what we have API-wise from the side of Emacs. But regarding 
the presentation of the completion results, the views of the authors of 
the respective packages you mention vary. Omar, the author of Embark and 
Orderless, has written four completion UIs which are mostly derived from 
default completion, Clemens has Selectrum, I have recently made Vertico. 
But all these packages somehow cooperate despite the different preferences.

Daniel



  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-04-07 20:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 178+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-04-05 10:22 [ELPA] New package: vertico Daniel Mendler
2021-04-05 14:27 ` Manuel Uberti
2021-04-05 18:30   ` Stepping Back: A Wealth Of Completion systems " T.V Raman
2021-04-05 20:49     ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-04-05 20:55       ` T.V Raman
2021-04-06  6:45       ` Arthur Miller
2021-04-06 15:15       ` Eric Abrahamsen
2021-04-06 15:56         ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-07 12:09       ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-07 12:23         ` Joost Kremers
2021-04-07 12:56           ` Daniel Mendler
2021-04-07 18:55           ` Jean Louis
2021-04-07 13:05         ` Yuri Khan
2021-04-07 13:45           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-07 14:15         ` Philip Kaludercic
     [not found]           ` <87eefm5fzl.fsf@posteo.net>
     [not found]             ` <3ec7e2e58a106c77370d@heytings.org>
2021-04-07 14:33               ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-04-07 15:17           ` Daniel Mendler
2021-04-07 16:14             ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-07 16:32               ` Daniel Mendler
2021-04-07 16:20             ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-04-07 16:57               ` Daniel Mendler
2021-04-07 18:19                 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-04-07 19:13                 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-04-07 19:47                   ` Jean Louis
2021-04-07 20:03                   ` Daniel Mendler [this message]
2021-04-07 22:31                     ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-04-09  6:21                     ` Tassilo Horn
2021-04-09  8:53                       ` Daniel Mendler
2021-04-09 17:22                         ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-04-09 18:51                         ` Tassilo Horn
2021-04-07 23:07                   ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-04-07 19:24                 ` Jean Louis
2021-04-07 18:19               ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-04-07 18:13             ` Drew Adams
2021-04-07 15:24           ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-07 16:10             ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-04-07 16:49               ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-07 17:40                 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-04-07 17:48                   ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-07 19:22                     ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-04-07 19:03           ` Jean Louis
2021-04-07 14:31         ` T.V Raman
2021-04-07 16:02         ` Eric Abrahamsen
2021-04-07 18:18           ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-04-09  6:40           ` Thierry Volpiatto
2021-04-10  4:20             ` Eric Abrahamsen
2021-04-07 18:49         ` Jean Louis
2021-04-07 20:33           ` Juri Linkov
2021-04-09 11:12             ` Jean Louis
2021-04-07 13:01       ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-07 14:44         ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-07 14:55           ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-04-07 21:56           ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-07 22:59             ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-04-08  0:48               ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-08 14:44                 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-04-08 16:40                   ` T.V Raman
2021-04-08 17:53                     ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-04-08 17:57                       ` T.V Raman
2021-04-08 17:21                   ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-04-08 18:03                     ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-04-08 18:59                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-09  4:21                     ` Eric Abrahamsen
2021-04-09 23:18                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-10  4:31                         ` Eric Abrahamsen
2021-04-09  5:56                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-09 23:12                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-09 23:48                         ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-10  1:56                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-10  4:04                             ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-10 13:11                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-11 21:48                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-11 22:07                                   ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-04-11 22:10                                     ` Drew Adams
2021-04-11 21:52                                 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-04-11 22:24                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-12  1:32                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-12  4:16                                       ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-04-14  0:04                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-10  7:27                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-10 10:53                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-10 11:09                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-10  7:20                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-10 10:52                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-10 11:08                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-10 12:43                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-10 13:10                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-10 14:26                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-10 10:56                             ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-10 11:11                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-11 11:37                                 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-11 12:24                                   ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-04-11 12:58                                     ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-11 13:42                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-11 13:39                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-11 17:16                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-11 18:19                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-11 18:36                                           ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-04-11 21:14                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-11 13:37                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-11 15:32                                     ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-11 15:50                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-11 15:55                                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-11 16:49                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-10 14:14                               ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-04-10 13:13                             ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-10 14:00                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-10 11:11                           ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-10 13:15                             ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-10 13:40                               ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-11 21:52                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-10  7:09                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-10 14:40                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-10 15:02                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-11  0:04                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-11  7:20                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-10 14:40       ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-04-11  0:18         ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-11 11:18           ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-04-11 13:31             ` Jean Louis
2021-04-11 15:53               ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-04-12  9:24                 ` Jean Louis
2021-04-12 10:14                   ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-04-12 10:56                     ` Jean Louis
2021-04-12 11:30                       ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-04-12 16:28                     ` Eric Abrahamsen
2021-04-12 18:36                       ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-04-12 19:01                         ` Eric Abrahamsen
2021-04-12 19:21                           ` Drew Adams
2021-04-12 23:39                             ` Eric Abrahamsen
2021-04-13  2:06                               ` Drew Adams
2021-04-11 13:34             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-11 16:14               ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-04-11 16:53                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-11 17:39                   ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-04-11 18:23                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-12 13:59         ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-13 23:57           ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-21  9:20         ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-04-21  9:29           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-21 10:27             ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-04-21 12:00               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-21 12:50                 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-04-21 13:02                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-21 14:25                     ` Jean Louis
2021-04-21 15:43                     ` Yuri Khan
2021-04-21 17:29                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-21 19:22                         ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-21 19:25                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-21 19:35                             ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-21 14:13                   ` Jean Louis
2021-04-21 14:35                   ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-21 20:31                     ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-04-21 13:14           ` Daniel Mendler
2021-04-21 14:21             ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-04-05 14:59 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-05 15:32 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-05 17:55   ` Daniel Mendler
2021-04-05 18:10     ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-09 21:37 ` Tassilo Horn
2021-04-09 23:23   ` Daniel Mendler
2021-04-10  7:17     ` Tassilo Horn
2021-04-10  9:33       ` Daniel Mendler
2021-04-10  9:44         ` Tassilo Horn
2021-04-10 10:07           ` Daniel Mendler
2021-04-10 13:34         ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-10 14:07           ` Daniel Mendler
2021-04-10 15:19             ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-10 17:27               ` Tassilo Horn
2021-04-10 20:58             ` Juri Linkov
2021-04-10  7:18     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-10  9:21       ` Daniel Mendler
2021-04-10  9:30         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-10  9:38           ` Daniel Mendler
2021-04-10 10:00             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-10 10:14               ` Daniel Mendler
2021-04-10  9:38           ` Tassilo Horn
2021-04-10 10:02             ` Eli Zaretskii

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