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From: Gregory Heytings <gregory@heytings.org>
To: Yuri Khan <yuri.v.khan@gmail.com>
Cc: Stefan Kangas <stefan@marxist.se>,
	Emacs developers <emacs-devel@gnu.org>,
	martin rudalics <rudalics@gmx.at>,
	Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>,
	Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
	Juri Linkov <juri@linkov.net>,
	Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
Subject: Re: master ff4de1b: Fix quoting style in Lisp comments
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2021 19:14:43 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1a0f9230b76ce1574e10@heytings.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAP_d_8XUxo3vVdwCF9PKk1=-Zb3WrHO=rmhxRZVGJ7wb6Qku8A@mail.gmail.com>

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>> Except that doing this throws the baby out with the bathwater.  If some 
>> think it looks ugly, it is IMO better to make it look better, instead 
>> of stopping to use it.  Because it's much easier to parse (as a pair) 
>> than double apostrophes.  It's a historical accident that ASCII 
>> included paired {} () [] <>, but no paired quotation marks.
>
> It’s a historical accident that the typewriter character set conflated 
> the opening single quote, closing single quote, apostrophe, acute 
> accent, and single prime. It is also a historical accident that the 
> grave accent ` was born as a separate spacing character at all — and 
> that is why I, among others, consider it ugly. Both these accidents are 
> canonically fixed by Unicode.
>

The point is not to discuss whether Unicode makes a better distinction 
between different kinds of quotation marks and apostrophe.  It does, 
obviously.  But (1) these characters are difficult to enter on most 
keyboards, (2) it is not realistic to expect that keyboards will change, 
as 99.9% users do not need or even understand those subtleties, and word 
processors already do TRT when they press the " or ' keys, and (3) more 
importantly, using `foobar' is better than using any of these Unicode 
characters, because ` and ' are logical quotation marks or markups that 
can be displayed as any of the actual quotation marks depending on the 
user preferences.  Some will prefer ‛foobar’, others ‘foobar’, others 
‟foobar”, others “foobar”, others 'foobar', and so forth.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-09-17 19:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 159+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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     [not found] ` <20210912165143.5BC1E20A5E@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org>
2021-09-12 22:42   ` master ff4de1b: Fix quoting style in Lisp comments Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-13  8:06     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-09-13 12:01       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-14  2:14         ` Phil Sainty
2021-09-13 11:34     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-13 11:41       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-09-13 12:23         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-13 12:36         ` martin rudalics
2021-09-13 16:53           ` Stefan Monnier
2021-09-13 18:25             ` Stefan Monnier
2021-09-15  9:27               ` martin rudalics
2021-09-15 12:42                 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-09-15 18:46                   ` martin rudalics
2021-09-15 16:02                 ` Juri Linkov
2021-09-15 16:30                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-15 18:07                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-15 18:16                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-15 18:20                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-15 21:12                           ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-09-15 18:40                         ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-15 18:52                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-15 20:01                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-15 20:15                               ` Stefan Monnier
2021-09-15 21:24                                 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-09-16  5:08                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-16 10:39                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-16 12:32                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-09-16 12:53                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-16 13:37                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-16 23:20                                           ` Phil Sainty
2021-09-18  0:15                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-16 16:19                                         ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-09-17 14:12                                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-09-17 15:58                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-17 19:21                                             ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-18  5:42                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-18  8:17                                                 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-18  8:26                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-18 13:30                                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-09-18 13:34                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-18 16:03                                                 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-09-18 16:13                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-18 16:52                                                     ` Drew Adams
2021-09-18 16:54                                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-09-18 17:07                                                         ` Drew Adams
2021-09-16 13:31                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-16 16:20                                         ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-09-16 14:15                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-16 14:18                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-16 15:22                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-16 16:20                                         ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-09-17  9:17                                       ` Gregory Heytings
2021-09-17 10:26                                         ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-17 10:39                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-17 22:46                                             ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-18  6:19                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-18  7:32                                                 ` Andreas Schwab
2021-09-18  8:20                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-18  8:37                                                     ` Adam Sjøgren
2021-09-18  8:44                                                     ` Gregory Heytings
2021-09-18  8:48                                                     ` Yuri Khan
2021-09-18 11:50                                                       ` Phil Sainty
2021-09-18 11:54                                                         ` Yuri Khan
2021-09-18 16:03                                                           ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-09-18 16:02                                                         ` Drew Adams
2021-09-18 16:02                                                       ` Drew Adams
2021-09-18 16:01                                                     ` Drew Adams
2021-09-18 16:01                                                   ` Drew Adams
2021-09-18  8:17                                                 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-18  8:25                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-18  9:18                                                     ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-18 11:00                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-18 16:02                                                     ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-09-18  9:28                                                   ` Yuri Khan
2021-09-18 10:05                                                     ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-18 10:27                                                       ` Yuri Khan
2021-09-18 10:51                                                         ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-18 18:40                                                           ` Juri Linkov
2021-09-18 18:56                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-18 19:34                                                               ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-18 23:22                                                                 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-09-19  5:44                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-19 10:00                                                                     ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-19 17:30                                                                     ` Drew Adams
2021-09-19 17:42                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-19 17:54                                                                         ` Drew Adams
2021-09-21 14:38                                                                           ` Jean Louis
2021-09-21 17:04                                                                             ` tomas
2021-09-21 17:09                                                                               ` tomas
2021-09-24 20:42                                                                               ` Richard Stallman
2021-09-19  5:30                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-17 10:55                                           ` Gregory Heytings
2021-09-17 11:16                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-17 11:30                                               ` Gregory Heytings
2021-09-17 12:11                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-17 12:30                                                   ` Gregory Heytings
2021-09-17 16:21                                                     ` Yuri Khan
2021-09-17 16:40                                                       ` João Távora
2021-09-17 16:44                                                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-09-17 17:47                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-17 18:42                                                         ` Yuri Khan
2021-09-17 18:51                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-17 19:14                                                       ` Gregory Heytings [this message]
2021-09-17 19:22                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2021-09-17 20:32                                                           ` Manuel Giraud
2021-09-17 22:16                                                             ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-09-18 13:45                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2021-09-18 16:03                                                               ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-09-18 17:25                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-09-18 17:46                                                                   ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-18 23:11                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2021-09-18 23:22                                                                   ` Drew Adams
2021-09-19 12:26                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2021-09-18  5:43                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-18  8:33                                                             ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-18  8:53                                                               ` Gregory Heytings
2021-09-17 18:09                                                   ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-09-17 18:09                                           ` Drew Adams
2021-09-16 16:18                                   ` Drew Adams
2021-09-16 10:50                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-16 11:39                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-16 14:12                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-16 16:20                                       ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-09-16 16:18                                     ` Drew Adams
2021-09-16 11:25                                 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-17  0:16                                 ` Richard Stallman
2021-09-17  0:27                                   ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-09-17  6:34                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-17 10:44                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-17 11:11                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-17 11:25                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-17 12:09                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-17 12:38                                             ` Phil Sainty
2021-09-17 12:59                                               ` Tassilo Horn
2021-09-17 15:45                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-17 13:07                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-17 13:44                                               ` João Távora
2021-09-17 15:49                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-17 16:33                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-17 18:10                                               ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-09-17 13:18                                           ` Amin Bandali
2021-09-17 18:09                                       ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-09-16  4:53                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-16  8:51                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-16  9:11                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-16 10:34                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-16 11:35                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-16 13:38                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-15 18:48                     ` martin rudalics
2021-09-15 19:05                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-16  6:56                         ` martin rudalics
2021-09-16  7:11                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-16 16:18                             ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-09-13 11:51       ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-13 12:05         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-09-13 12:28           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-13 12:29             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-09-13 12:26         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-13 12:56           ` Dmitry Gutov

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