From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?utf-8?Q?Jan_Dj=C3=A4rv?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs Mac port Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 05:32:44 +0100 Message-ID: <1FA55ED6-C06E-4796-81C7-2508A3AE56A1@swipnet.se> References: <9D4A4073-2C04-4B94-829D-DFCF32FFF0EC@mit.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-0F539427-68CC-4F46-A839-80664FA244F9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1353990784 28463 80.91.229.3 (27 Nov 2012 04:33:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 04:33:04 +0000 (UTC) Cc: "emacs-devel@gnu.org devel" To: chad Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Nov 27 05:33:16 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TdCrC-0007IM-84 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 27 Nov 2012 05:33:14 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52697 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TdCr0-00030K-Og for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 26 Nov 2012 23:33:02 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:43355) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TdCqw-000300-Rg for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 26 Nov 2012 23:32:59 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TdCqv-0001k4-BH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 26 Nov 2012 23:32:58 -0500 Original-Received: from mailout.melmac.se ([62.20.26.67]:63269) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TdCqv-0001gp-0Y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 26 Nov 2012 23:32:57 -0500 Original-Received: from mail01.melmac.se (mail01.melmac.se [62.20.26.80]) by mailout.melmac.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CC259BBD for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2012 05:32:54 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: (qmail 19245 invoked by uid 89); 27 Nov 2012 04:32:53 -0000 Original-Received: from h-46-59-42-18.na.cust.bahnhof.se (HELO coolsville.localdomain) (boel.djarv@bdtv.se@46.59.42.18) by mail01.melmac.se with ESMTPA; 27 Nov 2012 04:32:53 -0000 Original-Received: from [172.20.199.248] (janiphone [172.20.199.248]) by coolsville.localdomain (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 65EF77FA05E; Tue, 27 Nov 2012 05:32:53 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: <9D4A4073-2C04-4B94-829D-DFCF32FFF0EC@mit.edu> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (10A523) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 X-Received-From: 62.20.26.67 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:155105 Archived-At: --Apple-Mail-0F539427-68CC-4F46-A839-80664FA244F9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello. It would help if you specified the colors used in the screenshot exactly. Th= en we could at least compare colors for X11 and Nextstep. Jan D. 26 nov 2012 kl. 22:46 skrev chad : > On 26 Nov 2012, at 12:38, Stefan Monnier wrote:= >> I know some people prefer the MacPort over our NS port (and vice-versa), >> but I don't know that the difference can be such that the NS port is not >> even an option. >> Of course, maybe I just forgot about it. Do we have a bug-number(s) for >> the corresponding problem(s)? >=20 > I had hoped to try to merge some of the mac port changes after > the last round of discussion indicated that merging was, let's > say unlikely. Aside from reliability issues in both ports (which > I assume are bugs to be hunted and killed as normal), I think the > biggest issue is the color space and font handling. Whether or > not this bothers you depends on your personal settings, in my > experience - when I first started looking into this, I used a set > of colors and fonts that really didn't show any important (to me) > differences between the two, but I have since started using a > zenburn theme that really highlights the issue. I'm including a > clipping that I hope illustrates the issue, with the mac port on > the left and the ns port on the right. >=20 > I'm hoping to take another shot at merging display approaches > when the ports line up again for 24.3, but I wouldn't wait anyone > to rely on me - I'm not familiar with the subsystems involved, > and my free time is sporadic. >=20 > I hope this helps, > ~Chad >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-0F539427-68CC-4F46-A839-80664FA244F9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello.

It wou= ld help if you specified the colors used in the screenshot exactly. Then we c= ould at least compare colors for X11 and Nextstep.

=     Jan D.

26 nov 2012 kl. 22:46 skrev chad <yandros@MIT.EDU>:

On 26 Nov 2012, at 12:38, Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> wrot= e:
I know some people prefer the MacPort over= our NS port (and vice-versa),
but I don't know that the difference can b= e such that the NS port is not
even an option.
Of course, maybe I just= forgot about it.  Do we have a bug-number(s) for
the corresponding p= roblem(s)?

I had hoped to try to merge some o= f the mac port changes after
the last round of discussion indicate= d that merging was, let's
say unlikely. Aside from reliability iss= ues in both ports (which
I assume are bugs to be hunted and killed= as normal), I think the
biggest issue is the color space and font= handling. Whether or
not this bothers you depends on your persona= l settings, in my
experience - when I first started looking into t= his, I used a set
of colors and fonts that really didn't show any i= mportant (to me)
differences between the two, but I have since sta= rted using a
zenburn theme that really highlights the issue. I'm i= ncluding a
clipping that I hope illustrates the issue, with the ma= c port on
the left and the ns port on the right.

I'm hoping to take another shot at merging display approaches
<= div>when the ports line up again for 24.3, but I wouldn't wait anyone
<= div>to rely on me - I'm not familiar with the subsystems involved,
and my free time is sporadic.

I hope this helps,
~Chad


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