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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:256721 Archived-At: --Apple-Mail=_2F6714CA-ED02-42A2-A5CB-535D467BBF15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > I think CRDT make no difference to the problem referred to here, which > is that two machines, each behind its own firewall will have difficulty > talking to each other unless they go through some external server (at > least to set up the initial connection). There are *partial* solutions in > the form of ICE/STUN. 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