From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Paul W. Rankin" via "Emacs development discussions." Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Suggested experimental test Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 19:16:39 +1000 Message-ID: <1AD6748B-B88A-4518-89A6-599E6DB44CA9@bydasein.com> References: <936DFE4B-B16D-45A2-A6C2-AF13C451BF39@bydasein.com> <87tup1dk63.fsf@gnus.org> <20210324085114.GC30513@tuxteam.de> Reply-To: "Paul W. Rankin" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.7\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="4543"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , emacs-devel@gnu.org, Gregory Heytings To: tomas@tuxteam.de Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Mar 24 10:18:40 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lOzey-00015z-62 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 10:18:40 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45954 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lOzex-0007Ov-8U for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 05:18:39 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:46496) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lOzdZ-0006Pc-JJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 05:17:15 -0400 Original-Received: from sendmail.purelymail.com ([34.202.193.197]:41028) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lOzdV-0008Hf-SP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 05:17:12 -0400 DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; b=Zv2vF2awYq9vLp+PlxSlgxl44odyvT1B7pWuo6JGZ0fCe38jXHpEIRt8gNmt1bAflG/mMA6hVFPFnDsgF4k28lAGNrQVwXj/WDT+xAu51a/xfj9pqgaFMUwQXXmwyc2vP2nVVzH9dfJxHxuOfCGrQE5jofxEk/pQT1qvxt+jjb06/CJJvbKSVHruMDmH71SAYmFqSURE6ILjcbf5t2PxVU+Mf3D+d0BfnSUOjHY7JT15dcaUuzLg/3Ojah9Tmnn5DeZRvGfGmcOO5vFuXdwXsIofscKfWHEeKe9eacdlxnNHWKBt4TfNKogkHKKYYHde+C7sfIvOzYgCtKjcMbHY/g==; s=purelymail2; d=bydasein.com; v=1; bh=c0+rnGosMkZBm0P+x+EWYmFCaJCmRTw5PSBiXQgoGb0=; h=Received:From:To; DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; b=YlZtp4e11+8AeNn5mR4W19TfPsZ+oKoz/d/jQCfEvAn9LxE8s9q72KtUZIX5xX3YHnosfQYaPWXt4wqwmGdFtE/xov6EADcqxHJllLa3oSpxEywQpa293Ay7RrYnNSgnrvjkpBEITrVjbiilwNaj+j8M8QRZgpiucKa76J+FRXM5W/pdo8v5D84P4i2CM7NalgSaC4Hr5ye3exr34WciURwAqeurdnpbvBO/SbrL/95XatznSNAEvgxm2pbzSaWtgICcSPY88bEIbYpQJ1Mkia4SYYWo/khjAsyRFEeOEJUQIJU6+9WNIg40a7cXflSZHlxTo1I1wWbl/S6grQl5IQ==; s=purelymail2; d=purelymail.com; v=1; bh=c0+rnGosMkZBm0P+x+EWYmFCaJCmRTw5PSBiXQgoGb0=; h=Feedback-ID:Received:From:To; Feedback-ID: 791:353:null:purelymail X-Pm-Original-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Received: by ip-172-30-0-247.ec2.internal (JAMES SMTP Server ) with ESMTPA ID -362587875; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 09:16:46 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <20210324085114.GC30513@tuxteam.de> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.7) Received-SPF: pass client-ip=34.202.193.197; envelope-from=pwr@bydasein.com; helo=sendmail.purelymail.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:266934 Archived-At: > On 24 Mar 2021, at 6:51 pm, = wrote: >=20 > On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 09:34:44AM +0100, Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote: >>=20 >>=20 >> This isn't helpful. People should be able to make suggestions on >> emacs-devel without being ridiculed, and stuff like this makes >> emacs-devel seem like a very hostile environment. >=20 > Agreed. There is a lot of ungood karma around in this thread, which > is a pity. I can understand the different POVs, but folks, could you > try to calm a bit down? >=20 > I do understand that keybindings /is/ a hot topic. It'll keep coming > back time and again. It's worth being discussed time and again, IMHO, > because it is at some intersection of tech and social: those fields > change, therefore re-discussion is necessary. >=20 > It would be far more pleasant [1] if such discussions happened without > us hurting each other :-) Guys guys guys, you just gotta read a Modest Proposal such as this with = one arched eyebrow... no one wishes to spoil our Utopia.=