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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:255232 Archived-At: > > Disabling the menu bar and the tool bar, let alone doing that by > > default, makes very little sense to me. I'm running with both of them > > enable, although I rarely if ever use them. >=20 > Toolbar takes up space. We also reportedly have less than high quality > icons in there, on some platforms more than others. >=20 > The distros we're talking about usually pride themselves (among other > things) on "slick" appearance and keyboard-only interaction. >=20 > There's a small chance they will enable the menu by default just because > you asked, but the toolbar is a lost cause. See my reply about `tool-bar-pop-up-mode'. Show the tool-bar only when you want, for one-off uses.