From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Chad Brown Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [Emacs-diffs] master 9ce1d38: Use curved quotes in core elisp diagnostics Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 11:32:36 -0700 Message-ID: <19BD5D76-06A0-4FC0-A46F-760B2C27D321@gmail.com> References: <20150816160149.9416.80132@vcs.savannah.gnu.org> <55D1043C.3030909@yandex.ru> <20150816225346.GA5367@acm.fritz.box> <55D2C080.2000806@cs.ucla.edu> <87wpwt5619.fsf@gnu.org> <55D36CB5.10803@cs.ucla.edu> <878u9879q9.fsf@igel.home> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2104\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1439922793 21677 80.91.229.3 (18 Aug 2015 18:33:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 18:33:13 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Aug 18 20:33:07 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZRlh3-0004hG-TN for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 18 Aug 2015 20:33:06 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59039 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZRlh3-0005BC-DK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 18 Aug 2015 14:33:05 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:56538) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZRlgh-000561-OB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Aug 2015 14:32:44 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZRlge-0001rT-J1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Aug 2015 14:32:43 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-pa0-x233.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400e:c03::233]:33539) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZRlge-0001ol-DJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Aug 2015 14:32:40 -0400 Original-Received: by pabyb7 with SMTP id yb7so138199494pab.0 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 2015 11:32:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=BHSjOy/Yf4tIseIonKg5IwO+kHssELHzY9X4k1yM68A=; b=CgdXjQk2e9Er/NOPHW8La747BdXHASTCSiGBrODijSvSMTn1knkH+3+quEfhYz/t7J IrJvyUlIpIa09MGFq9UQXtY0DXGLDNVfkBtNycT/TsbKby1cu7pq0rp7skLuSLWezQFO magOTp+7/7/Qz2n5qCd1YRczS5c9nNl+0b7hYOnKIv0D0rNitp3Qrdtiwp+TEbag93P4 bH0KwnaDPB01ihr+z2fsjviWsuF7TCrNM9ZKLjhrZmYSBNCbUdZjlJFhemSdLCyBznBk ++XgaulX8dn6BoYfEAC48pATJQUGbY9/39Tf9ErbL9awUwvll53J6KheS8K94EnA+lAw ypWg== X-Received: by 10.66.154.167 with SMTP id vp7mr15631123pab.147.1439922759236; Tue, 18 Aug 2015 11:32:39 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from [10.0.1.31] (174-21-111-247.tukw.qwest.net. [174.21.111.247]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id y6sm18924187pdm.23.2015.08.18.11.32.37 for (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 18 Aug 2015 11:32:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <878u9879q9.fsf@igel.home> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2104) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400e:c03::233 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:188903 Archived-At: > On 18 Aug 2015, at 11:05, Andreas Schwab = wrote: >=20 > Paul Eggert writes: >=20 >> And here we are in 2015, with the quote problem still only partly = fixed. >=20 > In 2015, people use `...`. I work more in prose now than in code, and I=E2=80=99ve received = numerous complaints from editors in the last ~3 years about text that uses that. In practice, its currently hard for me to type that exact string, because all of the programs I use that aren=E2=80=99t Emacs or = some of the terminal console interfaces automatically turn it into =E2=80=98=E2= =80=A6=E2=80=99. I=E2=80=99ve mostly given up on using Emacs for long-form prose work for this reason (which is too bad, because the editing support for prose is still quite good, and also long-since pushed down into muscle memory). With all this in mind, I=E2=80=99ve been watching these = exploding threads with a mixture of hope and dread, because the modernization effort would be very nice for me, but I=E2=80=99m seeing a lot of older people whose opinions and efforts I respect argue for "just use old-style ascii quotes." I hope that helps. Thanks again to Paul for trying to push Emacs = forward.=20 ~Chad=