From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ulrich Mueller Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: please make line-move-visual nil Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 11:29:48 +0200 Message-ID: <18970.25868.549514.194223@a1ihome1.kph.uni-mainz.de> References: <23521879.post@talk.nabble.com> <7b501d5c0905131659r1d79ec56s5a59f76e4713edf9@mail.gmail.com> <23532135.post@talk.nabble.com> <87tz3odq3l.fsf@iki.fi> <23538683.post@talk.nabble.com> <87eiuru24b.fsf@iki.fi> <39370.130.55.118.19.1242397867.squirrel@webmail.lanl.gov> <48914.130.55.118.19.1242592120.squirrel@webmail.lanl.gov> <66C6BA04EBCF4B6DAED69E851627D852@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1243243826 8068 80.91.229.12 (25 May 2009 09:30:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 09:30:26 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ams@gnu.org, Stefan Monnier , drew.adams@oracle.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Miles Bader Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon May 25 11:30:19 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1M8WVd-0000iy-7J for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 11:30:17 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59365 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1M8WVc-0005ho-IM for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 05:30:16 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1M8WVU-0005hj-I0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 05:30:08 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1M8WVP-0005hX-1Y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 05:30:07 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=43480 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1M8WVO-0005hU-RG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 05:30:02 -0400 Original-Received: from a1iwww1.kph.uni-mainz.de ([134.93.134.1]:34933) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1M8WVK-0005Ub-4Q; Mon, 25 May 2009 05:29:58 -0400 Original-Received: from a1ihome1.kph.uni-mainz.de (a1ihome1.kph.uni-mainz.de [134.93.134.75]) by a1iwww1.kph.uni-mainz.de (8.14.0/8.13.4) with ESMTP id n4P9TnRH013065; Mon, 25 May 2009 11:29:49 +0200 Original-Received: from a1ihome1.kph.uni-mainz.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by a1ihome1.kph.uni-mainz.de (8.14.0/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n4P9TnMu031272; Mon, 25 May 2009 11:29:49 +0200 Original-Received: (from ulm@localhost) by a1ihome1.kph.uni-mainz.de (8.14.0/8.14.0/Submit) id n4P9TmcK031267; Mon, 25 May 2009 11:29:48 +0200 In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: VM 8.0.2-487 under Emacs 22.3.1 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:111075 Archived-At: >>>>> On Mon, 25 May 2009, Miles Bader wrote: > "Alfred M. Szmidt" writes: >> This is not a useful way to carry a conversation. People, lots of >> people, have complained about this behaviour, so it needs to be >> re-examined. > I don't really get the impression that "Lots of people" are > complaining actually (seems more like a few people, at high volume). Add me to the list of people complaining, then. I think that it's counter-intuitive to move point horizontally when vertical movement was asked for. The default should be changed back to nil. Also, at former times the user community was asked before such UI changes were done (I remember polls about C-x 0, M-g, C-x C-w, and C-x C-q at least). Why isn't this done any more? Ulrich