From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "T. V. Raman" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: proced-refine: confusing doc string Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:01:06 -0700 Message-ID: <18658.59378.3225.779626@gargle.gargle.HOWL> References: <18655.56783.720526.517468@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <48DFDF4F.5080704@gmail.com> <8f2776cb0809282327o701b7ba1y6953826a5117a99a@mail.gmail.com> <18657.36679.485198.413331@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <8f2776cb0809301046g26a4b7b6qa3eeb9f2c3fb6a01@mail.gmail.com> Reply-To: raman@users.sf.net NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1222830111 30421 80.91.229.12 (1 Oct 2008 03:01:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 03:01:51 +0000 (UTC) Cc: raman@users.sf.net, lennart.borgman@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: jimb@red-bean.com Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Oct 01 05:02:49 2008 connect(): Connection refused Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Kkryu-0005cA-9E for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 01 Oct 2008 05:02:28 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38797 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Kkrxr-00018N-8X for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 23:01:23 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Kkrxl-00016Y-4p for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 23:01:17 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Kkrxg-00012U-Fd for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 23:01:13 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=33729 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Kkrxg-00012A-7k for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 23:01:12 -0400 Original-Received: from qmta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.40]:57205) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Kkrxf-0004gC-FJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 23:01:11 -0400 Original-Received: from OMTA04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.35]) by QMTA04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id M3Co1a00K0ldTLk54F18vp; Wed, 01 Oct 2008 03:01:08 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([71.202.191.236]) by OMTA04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id MF161a00B56Ur8v3QF16Bw; Wed, 01 Oct 2008 03:01:08 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=PJgco98mkiAA:10 a=2z1OXlWFAAAA:8 a=t2N0RjmGE8C7QzArhFkA:9 a=tHI_MIIeTw21hbUUGAIA:7 a=Zh8dwhul01yLLTJxvk5E_ktV18YA:4 a=_ZPyBnbib2IA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=3SmO1NJXDBsA:10 Original-Received: by localhost (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 3882312A4102; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:01:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <8f2776cb0809301046g26a4b7b6qa3eeb9f2c3fb6a01@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: VM alpha-479 under Emacs 23.0.60.1 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) x-attribution: tvr X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:104273 Archived-At: Humor me, I still dont get it. What little "+" signs? Are they perhaps done as an overlay (will go stare at the code next) -- note that I cant stare at the screen:-) >>>>> "Jim" == Jim Blandy writes: Jim> On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 7:30 PM, T. V. Raman Jim> wrote: >> This would definitely help. >> >> I'm still at a loss to understand how proced-refine works >> -- perhaps because I'm running outside X? >> >> It's unclear how this thing is supposed to work on a text >> console. Jim> Jim> For what it's worth, I had the same reaction. I didn't Jim> get it until I read the code and stared at the little Jim> "-+-" strings... Jim> Jim> To be honest, I'm not sure that proced-refine is a very Jim> helpful command as designed. For example: clicking on a Jim> pid restricts the display to processes with lesser pids? Jim> Why? Why not greater pids? It seems like its behavior Jim> was driven more by the idea for its implementation than Jim> vice versa. -- Best Regards, --raman Email: raman@users.sf.net WWW: http://emacspeak.sf.net/raman/ AIM: emacspeak GTalk: tv.raman.tv@gmail.com PGP: http://emacspeak.sf.net/raman/raman-almaden.asc Google: tv+raman IRC: irc://irc.freenode.net/#emacs