From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Roland Winkler" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: faces and face variables Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 21:27:00 +0200 Message-ID: <18636.5124.611868.27794@tfkp07.physik.uni-erlangen.de> References: <200809090636.m896acaT011007@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <18630.36126.116571.102340@tfkp07.physik.uni-erlangen.de> <200809091834.m89IYJrt004178@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <18630.52279.410707.428217@tfkp07.physik.uni-erlangen.de> <200809100554.m8A5sbLU020022@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <18634.41341.360898.898779@tfkp07.physik.uni-erlangen.de> <200809121750.m8CHoXar025729@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <18634.45534.791696.614584@tfkp07.physik.uni-erlangen.de> <200809130953.m8D9rEZC011379@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <18635.58437.271555.722429@tfkp07.physik.uni-erlangen.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1221334045 31490 80.91.229.12 (13 Sep 2008 19:27:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 19:27:25 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Dan Nicolaescu , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Glenn Morris Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Sep 13 21:28:21 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Kean6-0000Cs-5i for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 13 Sep 2008 21:28:20 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37884 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Keam5-00073P-DA for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 13 Sep 2008 15:27:17 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Kealz-00072X-8n for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 13 Sep 2008 15:27:11 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Kealx-00071n-NT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 13 Sep 2008 15:27:10 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=34765 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Kealx-00071i-Fq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 13 Sep 2008 15:27:09 -0400 Original-Received: from tfkpsv.physik.uni-erlangen.de ([131.188.164.197]:22623) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Kealr-00042z-J9; Sat, 13 Sep 2008 15:27:03 -0400 Original-Received: from tfkp07.physik.uni-erlangen.de (tfkp07.physik.uni-erlangen.de [131.188.164.207]) by tfkpsv.physik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC95C21139; Sat, 13 Sep 2008 21:27:01 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: VM 8.0.9 under Emacs 22.2.1 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:103873 Archived-At: On Sat Sep 13 2008 Glenn Morris wrote: > http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2008-02/msg01660.html > > Maybe we should work harder to document the fact that we do not > want such variables. > > Echoing your suggestion. That message continues: Where would such info have reached you better? I looked up defface in the elisp manual in order to find a hint. But there was none. So I suggest to mention there (or include a link pointing elsewhere) that such variables are deprecated. > > Font-lock also has such variables, and the code contains the comment > > that these variables > > Don't use font-lock as an example, it's a law unto itself for > historical reasons. As I said, the starting point for me was dired.el. Certainly, that code has its own history. But the bottom line is that there is more than one source for the "wrong inspiration" and it would be good if at some prominent point it was stated clearly what today's recommended strategy is (despite historical counter examples). Are there, besides font-lock and dired, other fossils in GNU emacs that still use such variables? Roland