From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Konstantin Kharlamov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: contributing to Emacs Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2023 13:15:09 +0300 Message-ID: <183ae6c17b4d07701e76003dc72c25d8d2705611.camel@yandex.ru> References: <83v8fnslfz.fsf@gnu.org> <87v8fnh1h2.fsf@web.de> <83mt0zs9rc.fsf@gnu.org> <0a968a4e1b267c0f15dd237e6ea12a709fc06d5e.camel@yandex.ru> <838rcisj7o.fsf@gnu.org> <6537fa5fa5c1fe8437ed99ee0988e35895f5a54b.camel@yandex.ru> <8423a35750d8d8e0437c7708f6b4d0bbdfdb7fe0.camel@yandex.ru> <6981052a75913ea435ae2adaccdaa1c66252a6df.camel@yandex.ru> <6a22f3608f37e238ffbd20d6dead86d3aa76d01e.camel@yandex.ru> <96766e99bf2618cc4290498933c6e32bc2a0f98a.camel@yandex.ru> <83o7ldpcs8.fsf@gnu.org> <3c64fe534fee45ff75c9e2c3cece8e2ee146091e.camel@yandex.ru> <87bkhdnl94.fsf@posteo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="32244"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Evolution 3.48.2 Cc: Eli Zaretskii , ams@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Philip Kaludercic Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Jun 18 12:15:32 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qApRT-0008DB-No for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 18 Jun 2023 12:15:31 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qApRF-0006IY-Pu; Sun, 18 Jun 2023 06:15:17 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qApRE-0006FJ-J9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Jun 2023 06:15:16 -0400 Original-Received: from forward500c.mail.yandex.net ([2a02:6b8:c03:500:1:45:d181:d500]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qApRC-0006ks-PT; Sun, 18 Jun 2023 06:15:16 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-nwsmtp-smtp-production-main-10.sas.yp-c.yandex.net (mail-nwsmtp-smtp-production-main-10.sas.yp-c.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:c14:2481:0:640:e0:0]) by forward500c.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id DA5CE5EB0F; Sun, 18 Jun 2023 13:15:10 +0300 (MSK) Original-Received: by mail-nwsmtp-smtp-production-main-10.sas.yp-c.yandex.net (smtp/Yandex) with ESMTPSA id 9FcDEQVDRGk0-J7AC2wWw; Sun, 18 Jun 2023 13:15:10 +0300 X-Yandex-Fwd: 1 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.ru; s=mail; t=1687083310; bh=TJhKvbgk++EZZOhZX9Gi0EzlTYZmQQMx0oIkesZQMaM=; h=References:Date:In-Reply-To:Cc:To:From:Subject:Message-ID; b=gp2mXo476NThI908K5/ywRdw/JmsnHIJfkrUP9ECSobByeze1PFSzY2qUDyw1g6LU p/my5fMe0LI2G+PKuunjJTdOg0b1HoDZrSFY8mZKDtauAP/47N9kFFf/DW4LbvhAIr P8gVWiCQ7CKHdLHa4iNXm94RnjdI0RXFDEN1ZZwM= Authentication-Results: mail-nwsmtp-smtp-production-main-10.sas.yp-c.yandex.net; dkim=pass header.i=@yandex.ru In-Reply-To: <87bkhdnl94.fsf@posteo.net> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a02:6b8:c03:500:1:45:d181:d500; envelope-from=hi-angel@yandex.ru; helo=forward500c.mail.yandex.net X-Spam_score_int: -17 X-Spam_score: -1.8 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, FREEMAIL_REPLY=1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:306949 Archived-At: On Sun, 2023-06-18 at 10:00 +0000, Philip Kaludercic wrote: > Konstantin Kharlamov writes: >=20 > > On Sun, 2023-06-18 at 08:20 +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > > From: Konstantin Kharlamov > > > > Cc: eliz@gnu.org, arne_bab@web.de, luangruo@yahoo.com, > > > > emacs-devel@gnu.org > > > > Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2023 01:39:17 +0300 > > > >=20 > > > > No. I measured specifically for you: "Sending Patches" alone is 588= 4 > > > > characters > > > > not counting bullets, and my email was 3491 characters. > > >=20 > > > When someone posts a patch, he or she is not requested to read that > > > section, let alone pass some kind of exam on being familiar with it. > > > I'm quite sure 99% of contributors don't even know that section exist= s > > > in the manual, and have never read it.=C2=A0 So the size of that node= is > > > utterly irrelevant to how hard it is to contribute to Emacs. > >=20 > > You can't send a patch if you don't know how and where to send it =F0= =9F=98=8A So you > > can't avoid reading that section. >=20 > I think `submit-emacs-patch' is supposed to help here.=C2=A0 You would need to know it exists. > But I don't get how this is a Emacs/ML specific issue? We are discussing possible improvement to Emacs-specific contributing workf= low.