From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Nick Roberts Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Tabbed buffers Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 14:50:38 +1300 Message-ID: <18331.58222.273655.550424@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> References: <18330.23354.579245.68671@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> <87ejc5sf4l.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <18330.29609.396872.678539@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> <87wspxqwjv.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87wspwslce.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87fxwknjwa.fsf@catnip.gol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1201398670 11680 80.91.229.12 (27 Jan 2008 01:51:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 01:51:10 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Chong Yidong , emacs-devel@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca To: Miles Bader Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jan 27 02:51:30 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JIwgA-0007Od-RT for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 27 Jan 2008 02:51:27 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JIwfk-0003jV-AC for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 26 Jan 2008 20:51:00 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JIwfg-0003if-AS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Jan 2008 20:50:56 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JIwfd-0003hl-48 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Jan 2008 20:50:55 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JIwfc-0003hh-UY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Jan 2008 20:50:52 -0500 Original-Received: from viper.snap.net.nz ([202.37.101.8]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JIwfV-000334-M5; Sat, 26 Jan 2008 20:50:46 -0500 Original-Received: from kahikatea.snap.net.nz (194.31.255.123.static.snap.net.nz [123.255.31.194]) by viper.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6063F3D9DD2; Sun, 27 Jan 2008 14:50:41 +1300 (NZDT) Original-Received: by kahikatea.snap.net.nz (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 2E0EE8FC6D; Sun, 27 Jan 2008 14:50:40 +1300 (NZDT) In-Reply-To: <87fxwknjwa.fsf@catnip.gol.com> X-Mailer: VM 7.19 under Emacs 23.0.50.37 X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:87620 Archived-At: > > I think the most natural thing is for tabs to exist just within a > > frame, and for each tab to have a window configuration. Thus, > > switching to another tab would select its window configuraton. > > This is natural and already implemented. It's not what I had in mind, Eclipse has tabs for each window. However, it's probably a more realistic goal and would provide benefit. > That would be easy to implement, and I agree it would be insanely great > for many uses (especially if there are convenient key bindings for > moving to adjacent tabs) -- I'd _love_ to have a "Gnus" tab, and a "Gdb" > tab! > > However that system would seem to essentially require making a tab to be > an explicit user action, somewhat heavyweight. I don't agree, there seems to a direct correspondence with creating a new frame: C-x 7 C-f find-file-other-tab C-x 7 C-o display-buffer-other-tab C-x 7 . find-tag-other-tab C-x 7 0 delete-tab C-x 7 1 delete-other-tabs C-x 7 2 make-tab-command C-x 7 b switch-to-buffer-other-tab C-x 7 d dired-other-tab C-x 7 f find-file-other-tab C-x 7 m compose-mail-other-tab C-x 7 o other-tab C-x 7 r find-file-read-only-other-tab in additions to actions that could be associated with mouse clicks. > In many other systems, on the other hand, tabs are more lightweight, and > essentially represent different buffers; making a new "buffer" (in some > other app) automatically creates a new tab, so the user can easily see > what buffers/files he's created, and move among them. > > I suspect this latter style of usage is what most people mean when they > say they wish Emacs supported tabs, and they might be disappointed to > see some other meaning of the term. I don't know what people would expect but I think a new tab should only be created when explicitly requested. Also for toolkits for which Emacs doesn't support tabs the *-tab commands could revert to *frame commands -- Nick http://www.inet.net.nz/~nickrob