From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Nick Roberts Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: What a modern collaboration toolkit looks like Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 16:09:06 +1300 Message-ID: <18297.44754.762611.139679@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1199156972 31454 80.91.229.12 (1 Jan 2008 03:09:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 03:09:32 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Eric S. Raymond" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jan 01 04:09:45 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1J9XVh-00072G-Bu for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 01 Jan 2008 04:09:45 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J9XVL-0006aG-Jw for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 22:09:23 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1J9XVI-0006aB-7J for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 22:09:20 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1J9XVE-0006Zx-H3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 22:09:19 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J9XVE-0006Zu-Bk for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 22:09:16 -0500 Original-Received: from viper.snap.net.nz ([202.37.101.8]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1J9XVD-0003Ig-VG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 22:09:16 -0500 Original-Received: from kahikatea.snap.net.nz (3.62.255.123.dynamic.snap.net.nz [123.255.62.3]) by viper.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B96B3DA263; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 16:09:11 +1300 (NZDT) Original-Received: by kahikatea.snap.net.nz (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B908B8FC6D; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 16:09:07 +1300 (NZDT) X-Mailer: VM 7.19 under Emacs 23.0.50.20 X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:85796 Archived-At: > David Matuszek (star CS professor at UPenn) has been griping at me > for years about things like features he relied upon disappearing > during version upgrades. He's made it very clear that he thinks this > sort of thing is a symptom of inattention to what users are actually > doing with the software by developers too obsessed with the next cool > hack. I think that counts as both software and project croticism. Do you know if he reported these things to the mailing list? I think we need a reality check here: Emacs is a voluntary project, and if users aren't prepared to make bug reports then it's unlikely that any version control system, no matter how good, will allow a handful to developers to avoid such pitfalls. -- Nick http://www.inet.net.nz/~nickrob