From: Alexandre Garreau <galex-713@galex-713.eu>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Cc: "Óscar Fuentes" <ofv@wanadoo.es>
Subject: Re: Contradictiory directions
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2021 06:15:00 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1808353.o3rE44VePJ@galex-713.eu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87fsqt4t97.fsf@telefonica.net>
Le merkredo, 15-a de decembro 2021, 19-a horo kaj 28:52 CET Óscar Fuentes
a écrit :
> >> non-free versions of the code are incompatible with the GPL after
> >> all?
> >> <sigh>
>
>
>
> > No, but enough for them to *potentially become* so *without being
> > noticed* by emacs or even the users themselves…
> >
> > …what if one day mac os x or ubuntu or windows starts bundling a
> > version of sqlite with special “improved” extensions that are made
> > proprietary? we don’t want that. We want emacs to break in that
> > case, and potentially the users to do something to become themselves
> > responsible of a such combination of software.
>
> If the OS starts shipping SQLite with "improved" extensions and Emacs
> uses it, it is the same as any other OS-provided library: acceptable by
> GNU, although undesirable.
>
> Please note how you do talk about problematic extensions but not about a
> problematic OS-provided SQLite shared library. Why are we so concerned
> with the possibility of unholy extensions and not so much with the
> possibility of an unholy SQLite binary? Because in that case the only
> choice is to not use SQLite at all? (and most other Free but not GPL
> libraries)
Indeed, and it was mentioned before, that it would make sense to check for
the gpl-compatibility symbol inside sqlite as well, since it’s not
copylefted.
> Seriously, let's stop making up dramas based on scenarios disconnected
> from reality. The propietary software industry does not give a rat ass
> about Emacs
it’s not paranoia about emacs; they could not dare about emacs and yet
dare about sqlite and not about their users’ freedom; we are emacs and
want to protect users’ freedom
> and soon it will not give a rat ass about Gcc either,
> because there are better *free* alternatives, which arose in great part
> thanks to stances like this.
gcc and emacs are free, you are talking about free but potentially non-
free alternatives, and the difference is not appealing
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2021-12-11 4:17 ` master 3d38d1d: Add sqlite3 support to Emacs Stefan Kangas
2021-12-11 5:00 ` Po Lu
2021-12-11 5:29 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-11 6:56 ` Po Lu
2021-12-11 7:14 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-11 7:04 ` Po Lu
2021-12-11 8:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-11 9:20 ` Po Lu
2021-12-11 11:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-11 12:36 ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-12-11 12:49 ` Po Lu
2021-12-11 12:57 ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-12-11 13:29 ` Po Lu
2021-12-11 13:45 ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-12-11 13:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-11 13:55 ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-12-11 16:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-11 14:26 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-12-12 3:59 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-12 4:46 ` Po Lu
2021-12-13 3:44 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-13 4:01 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-14 4:12 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-14 4:36 ` Po Lu
2021-12-14 7:23 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-14 7:40 ` Po Lu
2021-12-14 8:30 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-14 9:16 ` Po Lu
2021-12-14 10:27 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-14 13:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-14 13:15 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-14 13:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-14 23:41 ` Andy Moreton
2021-12-15 14:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-15 5:15 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-15 7:07 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-15 7:17 ` Contradictiory directions (Was: Re: master 3d38d1d: Add sqlite3 support to Emacs) Po Lu
2021-12-15 7:23 ` Contradictiory directions Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-15 7:36 ` Po Lu
2021-12-15 7:41 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-15 7:48 ` Po Lu
2021-12-15 7:52 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-15 7:59 ` Po Lu
2021-12-15 8:04 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-15 8:13 ` Po Lu
2021-12-15 9:16 ` tomas
2021-12-15 9:49 ` Po Lu
2021-12-15 9:59 ` tomas
2021-12-15 10:06 ` Po Lu
2021-12-15 12:25 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-12-15 12:31 ` Po Lu
2021-12-15 13:52 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-12-16 17:45 ` Stephen Leake
2021-12-19 8:30 ` tomas
2021-12-20 4:43 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-15 9:17 ` Lele Gaifax
2021-12-15 12:39 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-16 4:40 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-16 4:40 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-15 15:15 ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-12-16 4:41 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-16 4:44 ` Po Lu
2021-12-16 8:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-16 13:39 ` Andrea Corallo
2021-12-16 14:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-16 14:10 ` Andrea Corallo
2021-12-15 10:14 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-15 10:24 ` Po Lu
2021-12-15 10:32 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-15 10:42 ` Po Lu
2021-12-15 12:44 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-15 13:04 ` Po Lu
2021-12-15 14:33 ` dick
2021-12-15 14:54 ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-12-17 4:23 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-15 14:54 ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-12-15 18:04 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-16 5:12 ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-12-16 4:40 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-15 13:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-15 13:56 ` Po Lu
2021-12-15 15:11 ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-12-15 18:28 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-15 19:55 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-12-15 21:15 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-16 7:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-16 9:41 ` tomas
2021-12-16 10:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-16 11:34 ` tomas
2021-12-16 14:18 ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-16 15:14 ` tomas
2021-12-16 11:01 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-12-16 11:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-16 11:22 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-12-17 4:24 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-16 5:15 ` Alexandre Garreau [this message]
2021-12-15 13:36 ` Contradictiory directions (Was: Re: master 3d38d1d: Add sqlite3 support to Emacs) Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-15 14:34 ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-12-15 15:02 ` tomas
2021-12-15 7:26 ` master 3d38d1d: Add sqlite3 support to Emacs Po Lu
2021-12-16 4:41 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-16 8:33 ` tomas
2021-12-15 14:22 ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-12-16 4:40 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-13 22:35 ` Andy Moreton
2021-12-15 5:14 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-15 7:10 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-16 4:41 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-16 5:52 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-17 4:25 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-19 4:57 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-19 7:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-16 9:33 ` tomas
2021-12-12 5:07 ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-12-12 5:17 ` Po Lu
2021-12-12 5:20 ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-12-13 3:44 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-13 5:30 ` Po Lu
2021-12-13 5:36 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-13 6:01 ` Po Lu
2021-12-13 8:30 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-12 12:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-12 4:00 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-12 4:00 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-12 4:48 ` Po Lu
2021-12-11 5:26 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
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