From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Nick Roberts Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: guided tour suggestions Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 20:20:31 +1200 Message-ID: <18051.28495.761758.288770@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> References: <87645ai4cl.fsf@phil.mit.edu> <85d4zi6jdo.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <874pksef39.fsf@phil.mit.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1183018856 4583 80.91.229.12 (28 Jun 2007 08:20:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 08:20:56 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Phil Sung Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jun 28 10:20:51 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1I3pFD-0005x3-6n for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 10:20:51 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I3pFC-0000bF-D5 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 04:20:50 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1I3pF8-0000b2-HF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 04:20:46 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1I3pF5-0000aq-UM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 04:20:45 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I3pF5-0000an-Oq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 04:20:43 -0400 Original-Received: from viper.snap.net.nz ([202.37.101.8]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1I3pF4-0002vL-00; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 04:20:42 -0400 Original-Received: from kahikatea.snap.net.nz (50.63.255.123.dynamic.snap.net.nz [123.255.63.50]) by viper.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 126783D9CA6; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 20:20:38 +1200 (NZST) Original-Received: by kahikatea.snap.net.nz (Postfix, from userid 1000) id A79AA8FBF6; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 20:20:32 +1200 (NZST) In-Reply-To: <874pksef39.fsf@phil.mit.edu> X-Mailer: VM 7.19 under Emacs 22.1.50.9 X-detected-kernel: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:73974 Archived-At: > > Would it be possible to make the screenshots with emacs -Q so that people > > see what they get out of the box ... ? > > Good idea. > > > The guided tour ... shows an Emacs a) compiled without a modern toolkit > > (Gtk+, Windows or Mac) b) without menus c) without toolbars d) without > > scrollbars (for heaven's sake!) e) without font diversity. The only thing > > hinting at fonts is a man-page f) without file dialogs g) without tooltips h) > > without any non-ASCII character > > When I get a chance, I will make some screenshots with the default UI setup, > and with more complex formatting/characters. Remember, however, that GTK is _not_ the default toolkit for Emacs 22.1 so that won't be what people see out of the box. Currently it won't be the default for Emacs 22.2 either. -- Nick http://www.inet.net.nz/~nickrob