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From: Tom Tromey <tromey@redhat.com>
To: Jan Djärv <jan.h.d@swipnet.se>
Cc: Nick Roberts <nickrob@snap.net.nz>,
	emacs-devel@gnu.org, eliz@gnu.org, cyd@stupidchicken.com,
	rms@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Post-22.1 development?
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 11:33:17 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <18024.20333.913034.347754@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4667AAD8.5040502@swipnet.se>

>>>>> "Jan" == Jan Djärv <jan.h.d@swipnet.se> writes:

Jan> - Printing, basically Emacs does not have a "modern" print dialog.

I thought the comment here was just about using the wrong program to
access printing.  But, I'm not an expert here.

Jan> - Fonts, AA fonts and respecting the fonts selected by the user
Jan> in his desktop preferences, including switching fonts on the fly
Jan> when the user changes his preferences.  A font dialog chooser is
Jan> missing.

Here I thought the problem was Emacs using some old font infrastructure.

Jan> - Session management.  We have that now in 22.1, but Emacs does
Jan> not restore the frame layout as it was.

IMO -- don't bother with this.  The Gnome trend is away from session
management anyhow.


In general my understanding of the issue from the Fedora POV is that
keeping some old infrastructure (old fonts, old print subsystem,
whatever) around is a pain.  Whether or not Emacs looks "Gnome-like"
is not really a distro issue.  So the issue is, make sure Emacs is
using the current blessed technology.

While I think in some cases better desktop integration is nice, Emacs
is also unusual and it doesn't always make sense to try to make it fit
in.  I suppose this is the "old time Emacs user" approach :)


That said, there are a couple desktop integration areas I'm interested
in:

* Notification area support.  I have a hacked zenity that does most of
  what I want -- albeit poorly.  Direct support in Emacs would be much
  better.

* Keyring support.  I have some code for this (supporting either the
  Gnome keyring or a private Emacs-specific one), but I haven't wired
  it in to all the code in Emacs that uses passwords.


Disclaimer: despite my email address I'm not involved in decision
making for Fedora.

Tom

  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-06-07 18:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 178+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-06-04  3:31 Post-22.1 development? Chong Yidong
2007-06-04  6:59 ` Release announcement [was Re: Post-22.1 development?] Glenn Morris
2007-06-04  8:44   ` Kim F. Storm
2007-06-04 23:20     ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-04  9:11   ` Yavor Doganov
2007-06-04  8:58 ` Post-22.1 development? Andreas Schwab
2007-06-04  9:20   ` Ulrich Mueller
2007-06-04  9:24     ` Andreas Schwab
2007-06-04 19:28       ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-06-04  9:25     ` David Kastrup
2007-06-04 19:31       ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-06-04 23:20     ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-04 16:44 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-04 17:31   ` Drew Adams
2007-06-17 21:49     ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-04 18:53   ` new Emacs maintainer(s)? (was: Re: Post-22.1 development?) Dan Nicolaescu
2007-06-04 19:34     ` new Emacs maintainer(s)? David Kastrup
2007-06-04 19:37       ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-06-04 19:44         ` David Kastrup
2007-06-04 20:01           ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-06-05  5:17     ` new Emacs maintainer(s)? (was: Re: Post-22.1 development?) Richard Stallman
2007-06-05 16:32       ` Dan Nicolaescu
2007-06-05 16:39         ` new Emacs maintainer(s)? David Kastrup
2007-06-05 18:39           ` Karl Fogel
2007-06-06  0:21         ` Chong Yidong
2007-06-06  7:56           ` Kim F. Storm
2007-06-06  8:45             ` David Kastrup
2007-06-06  9:22               ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-06-06 10:25               ` Kim F. Storm
2007-06-06 10:54                 ` David Kastrup
2007-06-06 12:02                   ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2007-06-06 12:06                     ` David Kastrup
2007-06-06 13:19                       ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2007-06-06 13:44                         ` David Kastrup
2007-06-06 12:38                   ` Kenichi Handa
2007-06-06 15:11                     ` Kim F. Storm
2007-06-06 19:33                       ` Chong Yidong
2007-06-06 12:29           ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-07  5:33             ` Miles Bader
2007-06-07  6:12               ` Kenichi Handa
2007-06-04 19:31   ` Post-22.1 development? David Kastrup
2007-06-04 21:18     ` Jason Rumney
2007-06-05  5:17       ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-05 16:10       ` Chong Yidong
2007-06-05 21:35         ` Nick Roberts
2007-06-05 22:33         ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-06  7:58           ` Michael Albinus
2007-06-06 13:07             ` Johan Bockgård
2007-06-06 13:47               ` David Kastrup
2007-06-07 15:45               ` Michael Albinus
2007-06-07 17:05                 ` Andreas Schwab
2007-06-07 19:01                   ` Michael Albinus
2007-06-07 17:24                 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-09  9:50                   ` David House
2007-06-06 22:09             ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-07 20:25               ` Michael Albinus
2007-06-08 14:27           ` Vinicius Jose Latorre
2007-06-10 15:59   ` Dan Nicolaescu
2007-06-11  9:44     ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-11 10:04       ` David Kastrup
2007-06-11 11:25         ` Miles Bader
2007-06-11 17:02         ` Dan Nicolaescu
2007-06-11 19:08           ` David Kastrup
2007-06-11 22:23             ` Dan Nicolaescu
2007-06-13  8:07           ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-12 16:00         ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-12 16:29           ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-12 16:57             ` Jason Rumney
2007-06-12 17:43               ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-12 22:09                 ` David Kastrup
2007-06-12 23:38                   ` Chong Yidong
2007-06-13 16:22                     ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-13 18:19                       ` Chong Yidong
2007-06-13 19:15                         ` David Kastrup
2007-06-13 18:44                     ` David Kastrup
2007-06-13 19:22                       ` Chong Yidong
2007-06-13 19:47                         ` David Kastrup
2007-06-13 20:08                       ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-06-14  6:11                         ` Miles Bader
2007-06-14  6:18                           ` David Kastrup
2007-06-14  6:57                             ` Miles Bader
2007-06-14  7:33                               ` David Kastrup
2007-06-14  8:08                                 ` Miles Bader
2007-06-14  8:39                                   ` David Kastrup
2007-06-14  9:22                                     ` Miles Bader
2007-06-13  0:09                   ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-13 16:22                     ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-13 17:39                       ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-13 16:21                   ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-13 20:57                     ` Michael Albinus
2007-06-13 22:17                       ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-15  6:09                         ` Michael Albinus
2007-06-15 14:02                           ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-14  7:49               ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-14  8:57                 ` David Kastrup
2007-06-15  8:48                   ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-15  9:02                     ` David Kastrup
2007-06-16 18:51                       ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-04 19:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-06-05  5:17   ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-05  6:17     ` David Kastrup
2007-06-05 19:17       ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-05 20:52         ` David Kastrup
2007-06-06 16:59           ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-05 19:54       ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-06-05 21:13         ` David Kastrup
2007-06-06 16:59           ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-06 21:10             ` Nick Roberts
2007-06-07  6:51               ` Jan Djärv
2007-06-07  6:57                 ` Miles Bader
2007-06-07  8:21                   ` Jan Djärv
2007-06-07  9:04                     ` Nick Roberts
2007-06-08 14:23                     ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-08 18:06                       ` Jan Djärv
2007-06-07 18:33                 ` Tom Tromey [this message]
2007-06-07 18:53                   ` David House
2007-06-07 18:47                     ` Tom Tromey
2007-06-08  5:54                   ` Jan Djärv
2007-06-08  7:17                     ` IPP under emacs [was: Re: Post-22.1 development?] Thien-Thi Nguyen
2007-06-08 14:25                       ` Vinicius Jose Latorre
2007-06-08 18:37                         ` Ken Raeburn
2007-06-08 20:20                           ` Jason Rumney
2007-06-08 20:59                             ` Ken Raeburn
2007-06-08 21:16                               ` Jason Rumney
2007-06-08 21:40                                 ` Ken Raeburn
2007-06-08 21:43                                   ` Jason Rumney
2007-06-09  1:41                                     ` Ken Raeburn
2007-06-09  9:46                         ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-10  3:47                           ` Vinicius Jose Latorre
2007-06-10  7:11                             ` Jan Djärv
2007-06-10 13:18                             ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-08 17:49                   ` Post-22.1 development? Ken Raeburn
2007-06-08 18:41                     ` Andreas Schwab
2007-06-08 20:12                     ` Tom Tromey
2007-06-08 14:23                 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-08 18:01                   ` Jan Djärv
2007-06-08 19:20                     ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-08 22:25                       ` desktop.el/session.el [was: Post-22.1 development?] Davis Herring
2007-06-08 23:06                         ` desktop.el/session.el Stefan Monnier
2007-06-09 21:32                         ` desktop.el/session.el Juri Linkov
2007-06-09 20:24                     ` Post-22.1 development? Richard Stallman
2007-06-10  7:23                       ` Jan Djärv
2007-06-09 20:24                     ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-08  7:11               ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-08  9:01                 ` Nick Roberts
2007-06-07 19:48             ` Sean O'Rourke
2007-06-07 21:18               ` Nick Roberts
2007-06-07 22:17                 ` Sean O'Rourke
2007-06-07 22:53                   ` Miles Bader
2007-06-07 23:58                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2007-06-07 23:06                     ` 48 line console [was Re: Post-22.1 development]? Nick Roberts
2007-06-08  0:03                       ` 48 line console Thien-Thi Nguyen
2007-06-08  1:34                         ` Nick Roberts
2007-06-08  7:19                           ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2007-06-08  8:59                             ` Nick Roberts
2007-06-08  9:50                               ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2007-06-08 10:40                       ` 48 line console [was Re: Post-22.1 development]? Alan Mackenzie
2007-06-07 22:25               ` Post-22.1 development? David Reitter
2007-06-07 22:42                 ` Sean O'Rourke
2007-06-07 22:53                   ` David Reitter
2007-06-08 13:57                     ` Mathias Dahl
2007-06-08 14:24                     ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-08 17:23                       ` csant
2007-06-08 19:17                         ` Jan Djärv
2007-06-08  1:23                 ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2007-06-05 10:24 ` Nick Roberts
2007-06-05 10:55   ` David Kastrup
2007-06-05 11:19   ` Kenichi Handa
2007-06-05 21:07     ` Nick Roberts
2007-06-06  0:37       ` Kenichi Handa
2007-06-05 19:17   ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-05 19:55     ` Jason Rumney
2007-06-06 16:58       ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-05 21:22     ` Nick Roberts
2007-06-06 16:59       ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-06 15:28 ` Neal Becker
2007-06-06 15:32   ` David House
2007-06-12 18:39 ` Jay Belanger

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