From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: PPAATT@aol.com Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: bindings reserved for users Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 09:49:57 EDT Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: <17c.7222f1e.29f41d85@aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1019397094 23944 127.0.0.1 (21 Apr 2002 13:51:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 13:51:34 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 16zHkc-0006E5-00 for ; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 15:51:34 +0200 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 16zHkr-0007Je-00 for ; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 15:51:49 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16zHkI-0002ma-00; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 09:51:14 -0400 Original-Received: from imo-m03.mx.aol.com ([64.12.136.6]) by fencepost.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16zHjC-0002XF-00; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 09:50:06 -0400 Original-Received: from PPAATT@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 7.17c.7222f1e (3702); Sun, 21 Apr 2002 09:49:57 -0400 (EDT) Original-To: rms@gnu.org X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.9 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:2932 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:2932 > > What about non-ascii characters? ... > Date: 4/20/02 11:28:15 AM MDT > From: rms@gnu.org (Richard Stallman) ... > Since such characters are not available > on all terminals, ... > People won't want to use these keys > in major modes or minor modes > meant for general use. Eh? But Emacs by default already does bind infamously country-specific keys to general uses e.g: overwrite-mode is on insert abort-recursive-edit is on C-] ESC is on C-[ ... People _do_ like to bind general uses to country-specific keys? No? Do you mean to say C-c "letter" gives me a mnemonic play space of my own ... only if I learn to think in [a-zA-Z] English letters? > only if I learn to think in ... English Why does Emacs offer, for personal use, by default, only the C-c "letter" keys and some F keys? Personally I'd prefer an escape key for translating to Emacs from the locally conventional key map. For example, M-o C-c could tell me: "kill-ring-save is on C-insert, M-w". C-c C-c can't tell me this because in the major-mode C, already C-c C-c means comment-region. > M-o C-h b describe-bindings tells me M-n M-o M-p are not bound, but ( C-h i m emacs RET m keymaps RET ) doesn't mention that fact. gnu.emacs.help may someday tell me why. Pat LaVarre