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[217.227.106.180]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id h17-20020a05600c315100b003cf483ee8e0sm1329792wmo.24.2022.11.22.23.49.20 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 22 Nov 2022 23:49:20 -0800 (PST) Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <87y1s2a3rd.fsf@rfc20.org> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::334; envelope-from=gerd.moellmann@gmail.com; helo=mail-wm1-x334.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:300382 Archived-At: On 23.11.22 01:55, Matt Armstrong wrote: > > My guess is that avoiding this kind of repetitive verbosity, at least > for the common cases, is what many people want to get out of "Emacs > Packages/Modules". That is just a guess, though. I can't really tell > what benefits people actually want when they "it'd be great if Emacs had > CL style packages." Speaking for me, I want more modularity, more structure. That's also why I prefer C++.