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From: Tom Tromey <tromey@redhat.com>
To: rms@gnu.org
Cc: Ryan Yeske <rcyeske@gmail.com>, joakim@verona.se, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: CVS is the `released version'
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 08:19:06 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <17992.32234.297429.89438@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1HnVc4-0008TV-1K@fencepost.gnu.org>

>>>>> "RMS" == Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:

RMS> Can you explain why this is so?  What are the jobs that you need
RMS> to do without package.el, which package.el avoids?

package.el will install the dependencies of a package you are
installing.  It extracts autoloads and byte-compiles the lisp.  When
the package is activated, it sets up the load-path, the info path, and
evals the autoloads.  It also lets you install newer versions of
existing packages, and is smart about only activating the most recent.

In the future it will let you delete packages as well (a simple
operation, but I didn't want to include it in early releases).

RMS> That is something that could be done by a function to install certain
RMS> Lisp code, which does not need that Lisp code to be a "package".

First, please note that a "package" in most cases is really just a
single .el file.  More complicated things do need to be bundled (e.g.,
ELPA provides an old version of "url" for Emacs 21 users), but this
bundling is just a tar file (whose top-level directory has a certain
name) and a single extra file (e.g., "url-pkg.el", contained in the
tar).  Even for the "big program" case there is very little
administrative overhead here -- just a single call to
(define-package).

package.el has the code to install a lisp file.  This is not foolproof
because, in my experience, most Emacs Lisp files need a tweak or two
before they can be said to follow the comment guidelines.  The fixes
are generally trivial.

I thought I would use the installation code more, but it turns out to
be just as easy to upload a file to ELPA and then share it with
everybody.  And also the package-menu mode is fun to use :-)

Tom

  reply	other threads:[~2007-05-14 15:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 146+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-05-09 19:56 CVS is the `released version' Robert J. Chassell
2007-05-09 19:59 ` Thomas Hühn
2007-05-10  2:00   ` Robert J. Chassell
2007-05-10  6:03     ` Thomas Hühn
2007-05-10 11:43       ` Robert J. Chassell
2007-05-10 11:47         ` David Kastrup
2007-05-10  6:58     ` David Kastrup
2007-05-10 11:58       ` Andrea Russo
2007-05-10 12:34         ` Thomas Hühn
2007-05-09 20:12 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-10  2:18 ` Chong Yidong
2007-05-10 18:24 ` Ken Manheimer
2007-05-10 19:05   ` Stefan Monnier
2007-05-11 18:48     ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-11 20:19       ` joakim
2007-05-12 16:47         ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-12 20:26           ` joakim
2007-05-13  8:49           ` Ryan Yeske
2007-05-13  9:38             ` David Kastrup
2007-05-13 11:28               ` Ralf Angeli
2007-05-13 12:53                 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-14  1:43               ` Tom Tromey
2007-05-14  8:09             ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-14 15:19               ` Tom Tromey [this message]
2007-05-14 18:29               ` Ryan Yeske
2007-05-16  2:23               ` Mike Mattie
2007-05-14  1:17           ` Tom Tromey
2007-05-14  5:06             ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2007-05-14  6:47               ` David Kastrup
2007-05-14 15:07               ` Tom Tromey
2007-05-14 17:20                 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-05-14  6:41             ` David Kastrup
2007-05-14  8:02               ` joakim
2007-05-14 15:10               ` Tom Tromey
2007-05-14 18:41                 ` Ryan Yeske
2007-05-14 19:03                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-05-14 19:16                   ` Tom Tromey
2007-05-14 22:36                   ` Ryan Yeske
2007-05-16 15:46                   ` Stefan Monnier
2007-05-17 12:43                     ` David Kastrup
2007-05-17 14:17                       ` Stefan Monnier
2007-05-15 23:52                 ` thorne
2007-05-18 23:10             ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-18 23:31               ` Tom Tromey
2007-05-19 22:31                 ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-19 22:33                   ` Tom Tromey
2007-05-20 17:05                     ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-20 21:45                       ` Tom Tromey
2007-05-21  5:19                         ` David Kastrup
2007-05-21 10:33                         ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-21 10:46                           ` David Kastrup
2007-05-21 18:36                             ` JD Smith
2007-05-21 18:47                               ` David Kastrup
2007-05-21 18:51                               ` Chong Yidong
2007-05-21 19:02                                 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-22 14:52                                 ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-25 21:13                               ` Ken Manheimer
2007-05-25 21:24                                 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-05-26  7:01                                 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-28  3:10                                   ` dhruva
2007-05-29  0:02                                     ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-29  6:21                                       ` dhruva
2007-05-29  9:30                                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2007-05-29 10:30                                           ` Frank Schmitt
2007-05-29 14:36                                             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2007-05-29 14:45                                               ` Frank Schmitt
2007-05-29 17:49                                                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2007-05-29 22:00                                                   ` David Kastrup
2007-05-30 15:43                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-30 16:15                                                       ` joakim
2007-06-02 17:29                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-03  9:56                                                           ` Frank Schmitt
2007-05-30 15:44                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-30 21:55                                                     ` Frank Schmitt
2007-05-31 22:32                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-30  4:27                                         ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-03  3:23                                 ` Tom Tromey
2007-05-22  8:30                             ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-21 16:33                           ` Tom Tromey
2007-05-21 18:32                             ` CVS is the `released version' (ELL and the ohio lisp archive) Stephen Eglen
2007-05-24 21:22                             ` CVS is the `released version' Richard Stallman
2007-05-24 21:58                               ` New Extensions (was: Re: CVS is the `released version') Henrik Enberg
2007-05-24 21:22                             ` CVS is the `released version' Richard Stallman
2007-05-21 12:03                         ` Robert J. Chassell
2007-05-21 12:13                           ` David Kastrup
2007-05-21 12:45                           ` Stefan Monnier
2007-05-21 13:18                           ` jasonr
2007-05-21 15:39                             ` Robert J. Chassell
2007-05-22 10:10                               ` Stefan Monnier
2007-05-22 11:18                                 ` Robert J. Chassell
2007-05-22 13:36                                   ` David Kastrup
2007-05-22 15:19                                     ` Robert J. Chassell
2007-05-22 15:37                                       ` Jason Rumney
2007-05-22 15:12                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2007-05-22 17:24                                     ` Robert J. Chassell
2007-05-23 14:54                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2007-05-23 15:02                                       ` Jason Rumney
2007-05-23 19:08                                         ` Robert J. Chassell
2007-05-21  2:57                       ` Bob Rogers
2007-05-21 13:24                         ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-21 16:22                           ` Tom Tromey
2007-05-21 12:53                     ` Stefan Monnier
2007-05-21 16:41                       ` Tom Tromey
2007-05-21 19:40                         ` Stefan Monnier
2007-05-22  4:38                     ` Xavier Maillard
2007-05-20  7:54                   ` David Kastrup
2007-05-20 21:53                     ` Tom Tromey
2007-05-21  5:24                       ` David Kastrup
2007-05-21  5:53                         ` dhruva
2007-05-21  6:51                           ` David Kastrup
2007-05-21  8:47                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2007-05-21  9:22                           ` David Kastrup
2007-05-21 13:24                         ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-21 13:51                           ` David Kastrup
2007-05-24 21:22                             ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-21 10:17                       ` package.el (was: Re: CVS is the `released version') David Reitter
2007-05-21 17:40                         ` package.el Tom Tromey
2007-05-21 18:13                           ` package.el David Kastrup
2007-05-21 22:43                           ` package.el David Reitter
2007-05-21 22:51                             ` package.el Tom Tromey
2007-05-21 23:48                               ` package.el Davis Herring
2007-05-21 23:56                                 ` package.el Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-05-25 21:39                                 ` package.el Tom Tromey
2007-05-27  1:00                                   ` package.el Richard Stallman
2007-05-21 23:50                               ` package.el David Reitter
2007-05-21 23:44                                 ` package.el Tom Tromey
2007-05-22  2:21                                   ` package.el Stephen J. Turnbull
2007-05-22 10:18                                   ` package.el Stefan Monnier
2007-05-21 22:57                             ` package.el David Kastrup
2007-05-20 22:05                     ` CVS is the `released version' Richard Stallman
2007-05-19 22:31                 ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-19 22:31                   ` Tom Tromey
2007-05-20 17:05                     ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-20 21:23                       ` Tom Tromey
2007-05-21 12:59                       ` Stefan Monnier
2007-05-21 13:03                         ` David Kastrup
2007-05-21 14:14                           ` Stefan Monnier
2007-05-21 16:50                         ` Tom Tromey
2007-05-22 14:51                           ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-22  6:10               ` Trent Buck
2007-05-22  7:56                 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-24 21:22                 ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-10 20:42   ` David Kastrup
2007-05-10 23:05 ` Lukasz Stafiniak
2007-05-10 23:23   ` Davis Herring
2007-05-11 12:31     ` Thien-Thi Nguyen

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