From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: covici@ccs.covici.com Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs 23 Mac port Date: Thu, 06 May 2010 12:34:12 -0400 Message-ID: <1794.1273163652@ccs.covici.com> References: <2282B3B4-D844-4E26-BB94-9F79EEA2E847@gmail.com> ! 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X-Mailer: MH-E 8.2; nmh 1.3; GNU Emacs 23.1.1 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:124596 Archived-At: YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu wrote: > >>>>> On Wed, 5 May 2010 11:58:21 -0400, David Reitter said: > > > On May 3, 2010, at 10:35 PM, YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu wrote: > >> The twelfth update of the Mac port, which is > >> experimental/hackers-only, > > > It would be nice to merge the improvements from this port into the > > NS port so that a larger group of users will eventually benefit from > > it. > > Scratching the surface of the NS port doesn't make sense to me, > because it contains so many "I wouldn't design/implement so" in its > fundamental part. > > > Debugging something else, I came across a statement with substantial > > foresight from you in 2005: > > >> As for Emacs 23, the Carbon port itself might become such that > >> "it's difficult to understand why it should be supported". From > >> the users' point of view, it would be confusing to have two ports > >> of Emacs that are the same version and have similar look-and-feel, > >> provided that both of them are sufficiently stable and functional. > > > http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2005-09/msg00773.html > > I'm no longer maintaining "the Carbon port", and I think that now > (especially after the release of Snow Leopard) people agree it was a > right decision to abandon it early. I could assign more time for > developing another port that uses Cocoa AppKit, seeing if the NS port > becomes good enough to me. > > Also, I said "provided that both of them are sufficiently stable and > functional." I don't encourage the person who think the NS port is > already sufficiently stable and functional to try the Mac port (the > README-mac file in the tarball says so at the beginning). > > YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu > mituharu@math.s.chiba-u.ac.jp > I would like some port that uses the coco kit, because I use voiceover and so the current emacs -- or at least one I tried a few months ago was not accessible at all, so any influence I have in that direction -- I hope someone can do something about this. -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici covici@ccs.covici.com