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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:255021 Archived-At: > > I know it was long ago, but can you remember anything importantly > > useful about Emacs that you didn't recognize in those first attempts? >=20 > Indeed, tho let me try. I don=E2=80=99t really recall exact things but I= =E2=80=99ll > write out my pathway in a couple of paragraphs; maybe it=E2=80=99s a patt= ern > some people will recognise. ... What you wrote is, IMO, quite helpful (and interesting). Thx. [You might consider a fun "humanities" project of working on (yet another) Emacs tour/tutorial/video. Sounds like you'd have something to offer in this regard. By "working" on, I mean anything from coming up with something new to critiquing/improving something that already exists.] =20