From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Nick Roberts Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Bug Database? Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 22:00:45 +1300 Message-ID: <17720.36925.992861.58347@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> References: <17717.20433.183356.106695@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> <17718.15996.727727.91417@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> <17719.20082.610297.834477@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> <17719.55331.655678.827341@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1161369664 27806 80.91.229.2 (20 Oct 2006 18:41:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 18:41:04 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ich@frank-schmitt.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Oct 20 20:41:03 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GazIV-00011Q-OC for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 20:40:48 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GazIV-0006db-8a for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 14:40:47 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GaqIS-0003uh-EH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 05:04:08 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GaqIN-0003sZ-OA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 05:04:05 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GaqIM-0003sV-4a for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 05:04:02 -0400 Original-Received: from [202.37.101.8] (helo=viper.snap.net.nz) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GaqIG-0005nw-MQ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 05:03:57 -0400 Original-Received: from kahikatea.snap.net.nz (p202-124-124-174.snap.net.nz [202.124.124.174]) by viper.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFB857BBEA4; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 22:03:49 +1300 (NZDT) Original-Received: by kahikatea.snap.net.nz (Postfix, from userid 500) id C31C7BE453; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 22:00:48 +1300 (NZDT) Original-To: rms@gnu.org In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: VM 7.19 under Emacs 22.0.50.27 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:60949 Archived-At: > > If gdb had a leader who said "we don't ship broken code", gdb > > developers would be at annoyed because their favorite new feature of > > which they are proud and fond isn't released to the public and would > > eventually sit down and fix it, just as it happens in Emacs. > > This is armchair advocacy. I suspect that the fix isn't as easy as you > suggest, but if you feel that strongly about it, you could work on a fix. > > He did not say anything about the amount of work required. In the sentence before your quote he said: Frank> I looked at the code and while I wasn't able to do the fix myself, I Frank> think for someone who knows gdb's internal, the fix wouldn't be much Frank> work > Whether it > is easy or hard affects what the project leaders need to do, but > either way they should exercise leadership to get it fixed. Templates aren't GDB's only shortcoming. I could say GDB/MI is broken. Others would say it's weak at debugging multi-threaded programs. Frank appears to be saying "I want GDB to work well with C++ templates but I don't want to work on it, so somebody else should or we should make life unpleasant for them.". Maybe annoying the people who do contibute to free software is exercising leadership, I wouldn't know. -- Nick http://www.inet.net.nz/~nickrob