emacs.texi

emacs.texi

[Richard Stallman]

We need to update the list of contributors in the node
Acknowledgements, unless this was recently done.
Can someone please volunteer?

Re: emacs.texi

[David Kastrup]

Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:

> We need to update the list of contributors in the node
> Acknowledgements, unless this was recently done.
> Can someone please volunteer?

Isn't that more or less the job of lisp/emacs-lisp/authors.el?
Presumably if no more contributors are expected for the release, it
would be used to update AUTHORS, and then one would go from there?

-- 
David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum

Re: emacs.texi

[Kim F. Storm]

David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org> writes:

> Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:
>
>> We need to update the list of contributors in the node
>> Acknowledgements, unless this was recently done.
>> Can someone please volunteer?
>
> Isn't that more or less the job of lisp/emacs-lisp/authors.el?

It already has most of the machinery in place -- 

There are basically two things left to do:
- make it sort on last name rather than first name.
- make it output TeX rather than plain text for the names.

Is there a criteria for (in|ex)clusion in the list in emacs.texi?

-- 
Kim F. Storm <storm@cua.dk> http://www.cua.dk

Re: emacs.texi

[Chong Yidong]

Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:

> We need to update the list of contributors in the node
> Acknowledgements, unless this was recently done.
> Can someone please volunteer?

I updated it about a year ago, and I don't think much has changed
since then.

Re: emacs.texi

[Richard Stallman]

The program is fine for updating AUTHORS, but the two lists
of people in the manual are meant for human readers and they
need to be written properly by hand.

    Is there a criteria for (in|ex)clusion in the list in emacs.texi?

We include people who have contributed new files or major changes.

Re: emacs.texi

[Richard Stallman]

    I updated it about a year ago, and I don't think much has changed
    since then.

Which month was it?  We can look at papers signed since then
and see if anyone ought to be added to the list.  Or we could
update AUTHORS for the sources as of that date, and update it 
for the current sources, and diff them, to see what facts have
changed.

Re: emacs.texi

[Richard Stallman]

    Isn't that more or less the job of lisp/emacs-lisp/authors.el?
    Presumably if no more contributors are expected for the release, it
    would be used to update AUTHORS, and then one would go from there?

Updating AUTHORS and then diffing it seems like a good way to get the
raw data from which to update the manual sections.

Re: emacs.texi

[Kim F. Storm]

Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:

>     I updated it about a year ago, and I don't think much has changed
>     since then.
>
> Which month was it?  We can look at papers signed since then
> and see if anyone ought to be added to the list.  Or we could
> update AUTHORS for the sources as of that date, and update it 
> for the current sources, and diff them, to see what facts have
> changed.

I have compared AUTHORS from today with AUTHORS 18 months ago
and added new major contributors (and some older ones missing
from the list).

-- 
Kim F. Storm <storm@cua.dk> http://www.cua.dk

Re: emacs.texi

[Richard Stallman]

    I have compared AUTHORS from today with AUTHORS 18 months ago
    and added new major contributors (and some older ones missing
    from the list).

Thanks.

There are two versions of the list: the long one in ack.texi
and the short one in emacs.texi.  Did you do both?

Re: emacs.texi

[Kim F. Storm]

Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:

>     I have compared AUTHORS from today with AUTHORS 18 months ago
>     and added new major contributors (and some older ones missing
>     from the list).
>
> Thanks.
>
> There are two versions of the list: the long one in ack.texi
> and the short one in emacs.texi.  Did you do both?

Only emacs.texi.

-- 
Kim F. Storm <storm@cua.dk> http://www.cua.dk

Re: emacs.texi

[Nick Roberts]

> > There are two versions of the list: the long one in ack.texi
> > and the short one in emacs.texi.  Did you do both?

> Only emacs.texi.

I can think of three modes that have been added since:


;;; tumme.el --- use dired to browse and manipulate your images
;;
;; Copyright (C) 2005, 2006 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
;;
;; Version: 0.4.11
;; Keywords: multimedia
;; Author: Mathias Dahl <mathias.rem0veth1s.dahl@gmail.com>

**************************************

;; erc.el --- An Emacs Internet Relay Chat client

;; Copyright (C) 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005,
;;   2006 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
;; Copyright (C) 2004 Brian Palmer

;; Author: Alexander L. Belikoff (alexander@belikoff.net)
;; Contributors: Sergey Berezin (sergey.berezin@cs.cmu.edu),
;;               Mario Lang (mlang@delysid.org),
;;               Alex Schroeder (alex@gnu.org)
;;               Andreas Fuchs (afs@void.at)
;;               Gergely Nagy (algernon@midgard.debian.net)
;;               David Edmondson (dme@dme.org)
;; Maintainer: Michael Olson (mwolson@gnu.org)
;; Keywords: IRC, chat, client, Internet

*************************************

;;; rcirc.el --- default, simple IRC client.

;; Copyright (C) 2005, 2006 Free Software Foundation, Inc.

;; Author: Ryan Yeske
;; URL: http://www.nongnu.org/rcirc
;; Keywords: comm

-- 
Nick                                           http://www.inet.net.nz/~nickrob

Re: emacs.texi

[Kim F. Storm]

Nick Roberts <nickrob@snap.net.nz> writes:

>> > There are two versions of the list: the long one in ack.texi
>> > and the short one in emacs.texi.  Did you do both?
>
>> Only emacs.texi.
>
> I can think of three modes that have been added since:
>
>
> ;;; tumme.el --- use dired to browse and manipulate your images
> ;; erc.el --- An Emacs Internet Relay Chat client
> ;;; rcirc.el --- default, simple IRC client.

And:

Alan Mackenzie: wrote cc-awk.el
Arne Jørgensen: wrote latexenc.el
Daiki Ueno: wrote pgg.el (and related files)
David Ponce: wrote tree-widget.el
David Reitter: wrote mailclient.el
Eli Tziperman: wrote rmail-spam-filter.el
Eric M. Ludlam: wrote dframe.el ezimage.el sb-image.el
Hrvoje Nikšić: wrote savehist.el
Jesper Harder: wrote yenc.el
Joakim Hove: wrote html2text.el
Katsumi Yamaoka: wrote canlock.el
Koseki Yoshinori: wrote iimage.el  (not iinline.el)
Luc Teirlinck: wrote help-at-pt.el
Masatake Yamato: wrote cc-subword.el
Ralf Angeli: wrote scroll-lock.el
Raymond Scholz: wrote deuglify.el
Ulf Jasper: wrote newsticker.el

-- 
Kim F. Storm <storm@cua.dk> http://www.cua.dk

Re: emacs.texi

[Richard Stallman]

    > There are two versions of the list: the long one in ack.texi
    > and the short one in emacs.texi.  Did you do both?

    Only emacs.texi.

Would someone please update ack.texi, then ack?

Re: emacs.texi

[David Kastrup]

Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:

>     > There are two versions of the list: the long one in ack.texi
>     > and the short one in emacs.texi.  Did you do both?
>
>     Only emacs.texi.
>
> Would someone please update ack.texi, then ack?

Hopefully faq.texi is up to date.

-- 
David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum

Re: emacs.texi

[Kim F. Storm]

Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:

>     > There are two versions of the list: the long one in ack.texi
>     > and the short one in emacs.texi.  Did you do both?
>
>     Only emacs.texi.
>
> Would someone please update ack.texi, then ack?

Done.

I didn't know how to write Hrvoje Nikšić, so I just wrote Hrvoje Niksic.
Can someone pls. correct this.  Thanks.

Also, is @/o the proper way to enter ø  ?

-- 
Kim F. Storm <storm@cua.dk> http://www.cua.dk

Re: emacs.texi

[Richard Stallman]

    > Would someone please update ack.texi, then ack?

    Hopefully faq.texi is up to date.

I don't understand your response -- what does faq.texi have
to do with this?  The point is to update ack.texi.

Thanks to Kim for doing it.

Re: emacs.texi

[Johan Bockgård]

storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) writes:

> I have compared AUTHORS from today with AUTHORS 18 months ago and
> added new major contributors (and some older ones missing from the
> list).

You made a typo in emacs.texi: "Bocka@aa{}rd" -> "Bockg@aa{}rd".

Also, shouldn't "Garc@'{i}a" be "Garc@'{@dotless{i}}a" ("Garc\'{\i}a"
in TeX) (or there should be a separate macro for this, or @' should be
fixed to DTRT)?

-- 
Johan Bockgård

Re: emacs.texi

[Kim F. Storm]

bojohan+news@dd.chalmers.se (Johan Bockgård) writes:

> storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) writes:
>
>> I have compared AUTHORS from today with AUTHORS 18 months ago and
>> added new major contributors (and some older ones missing from the
>> list).
>
> You made a typo in emacs.texi: "Bocka@aa{}rd" -> "Bockg@aa{}rd".

Fixed.

> Also, shouldn't "Garc@'{i}a" be "Garc@'{@dotless{i}}a" ("Garc\'{\i}a"
> in TeX) (or there should be a separate macro for this, or @' should be
> fixed to DTRT)?

I don't know -- would someone pls. DTRT.

-- 
Kim F. Storm <storm@cua.dk> http://www.cua.dk

Re: emacs.texi

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: bojohan+news@dd.chalmers.se (Johan =?utf-8?Q?Bockg=C3=A5rd?=)
> Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2006 11:43:23 +0200
> 
> Also, shouldn't "Garc@'{i}a" be "Garc@'{@dotless{i}}a" ("Garc\'{\i}a"
> in TeX) (or there should be a separate macro for this, or @' should be
> fixed to DTRT)?

What does "Garc@'{i}a" produce for you, and why do you think it's not
TRT?

Re: emacs.texi

[Karl Berry]

    > Also, shouldn't "Garc@'{i}a" be "Garc@'{@dotless{i}}a"

Yes.

    or there should be a separate macro for this

Not so far as I can see.

    or @' should be fixed to DTRT
    
I suppose that would be possible, if you or anyone cares to hack
texinfo.tex to do it.

    What does "Garc@'{i}a" produce for you, 

An acute accent over a dotted i.

    and why do you think it's not TRT?

It's bad typesetting; a dotless i (and j) should be used with accents.
That's why @dotless exists.

Best,
karl

Re: emacs.texi

[Eli Zaretskii]

> Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 15:35:08 -0500
> From: karl@freefriends.org (Karl Berry)
> Cc: bojohan+news@dd.chalmers.se, emacs-devel@gnu.org
> 
>     What does "Garc@'{i}a" produce for you, 
> 
> An acute accent over a dotted i.

Is that ever TRT for @' to do?  If not, I'd say texinfo.tex should be
modified to fix that.

Re: emacs.texi

[David Kastrup]

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

>> Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 15:35:08 -0500
>> From: karl@freefriends.org (Karl Berry)
>> Cc: bojohan+news@dd.chalmers.se, emacs-devel@gnu.org
>> 
>>     What does "Garc@'{i}a" produce for you, 
>> 
>> An acute accent over a dotted i.
>
> Is that ever TRT for @' to do?  If not, I'd say texinfo.tex should be
> modified to fix that.

It is actually an inheritance from plain TeX, where \' is just a
simple accent construct.  In plain TeX, one types \'\i which is
reasonably easy to type.  @'{@dotless{i}}, however, is not really
pretty.

Texinfo is not smart about encodings like LaTeX is.  It is a package
on the level of plain TeX.

-- 
David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum

Re: emacs.texi

[Kim F. Storm]

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

>> Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 15:35:08 -0500
>> From: karl@freefriends.org (Karl Berry)
>> Cc: bojohan+news@dd.chalmers.se, emacs-devel@gnu.org
>> 
>>     What does "Garc@'{i}a" produce for you, 
>> 
>> An acute accent over a dotted i.
>
> Is that ever TRT for @' to do?  If not, I'd say texinfo.tex should be
> modified to fix that.

But if there is only one place where this matters, and there is another
way to write it already, let's do that and get on with the pretest.

-- 
Kim F. Storm <storm@cua.dk> http://www.cua.dk

Re: emacs.texi

[Eli Zaretskii]

> Cc: karl@freefriends.org (Karl Berry),  emacs-devel@gnu.org,
> 	  bojohan+news@dd.chalmers.se
> From: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>
> Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 10:14:04 +0200
> 
> Texinfo is not smart about encodings like LaTeX is.  It is a package
> on the level of plain TeX.

Nothing prevents Texinfo from being smarter in this case, AFAICS.

Re: emacs.texi

[Eli Zaretskii]

> Cc: karl@freefriends.org (Karl Berry),  emacs-devel@gnu.org,
> 	  bojohan+news@dd.chalmers.se
> From: storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm)
> Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 10:46:32 +0200
> 
> But if there is only one place where this matters, and there is another
> way to write it already, let's do that and get on with the pretest.

Whoever said anything about holding the pretest because of this minor
issue?

Re: emacs.texi

[Kim F. Storm]

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

>> Cc: karl@freefriends.org (Karl Berry),  emacs-devel@gnu.org,
>> 	  bojohan+news@dd.chalmers.se
>> From: storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm)
>> Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 10:46:32 +0200
>>
>> But if there is only one place where this matters, and there is another
>> way to write it already, let's do that and get on with the pretest.
>
> Whoever said anything about holding the pretest because of this minor
> issue?

What I meant was: let's fix texinfo after the release.

I've fixed emacs.texi to use @dotless{i} for now.

--
Kim F. Storm <storm@cua.dk> http://www.cua.dk

Re: emacs.texi

[Karl Berry]

    Is that ever TRT for @' to do?  

No.  Accents should always be used with dotless i/j.

    If not, I'd say texinfo.tex should be modified to fix that.

I don't disagree, but it's nothing I'm going to work on soon.  (There
are a lot of other accents that need the same treatment.)  If someone
else cares enough to do so, good with me.

I've added it to the Texinfo TODO list.

k