From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Nick Roberts Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: thumbs.el and transparency Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 10:59:22 +1300 Message-ID: <17369.17978.521026.397616@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> References: <17366.53124.274532.548329@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> <87y814vhxj.fsf@jurta.org> <17367.17105.271024.157799@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1138312891 10281 80.91.229.2 (26 Jan 2006 22:01:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 22:01:31 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jan 26 23:01:27 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1F2FAY-0001CB-Iv for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 23:00:43 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1F2FDM-00064Z-PF for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 17:03:36 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1F2FDD-00064P-Dj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 17:03:27 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1F2FDB-00063S-17 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 17:03:26 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1F2FDA-00063G-TZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 17:03:24 -0500 Original-Received: from [202.37.101.8] (helo=viper.snap.net.nz) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1F2FAn-0002gD-J9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Jan 2006 17:00:58 -0500 Original-Received: from kahikatea.snap.net.nz (p169-tnt1.snap.net.nz [202.124.110.169]) by viper.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85944740339; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 11:00:17 +1300 (NZDT) Original-Received: by kahikatea.snap.net.nz (Postfix, from userid 500) id 5177E8885; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 10:59:25 +1300 (NZDT) Original-To: Mathias Dahl In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: VM 7.19 under Emacs 22.0.50.50 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:49599 Archived-At: > Nick Roberts writes: > > > > Could you change it to generate thumbnail images according to the > > > Thumbnail Managing Standard? > > > > I've not even heard of the Thumbnail Managing Standard. Does it deal with > > transparency? Or is it a tangential question? > > From what I remember the standard uses PNG files only, and as far as I > know, PNG supports I think Richard's point is that we should only follow a standard that does what we want. If the Thumbnail Managing Standard doesn't deal with transparency, then it seems unsuitable (the toolbar icons in the images directory have transparency, for example). > > > I now have 4 (!) thumbnail directories that all share the same purpose: > > > > > > ~/.emacs-thumbs > > > ~/.emacs.d/thumbs > > > ~/.thumbnails > > > ~/.tumme > > > > > > This is ridiculous. Let's unify them all before the release. > > I think it's fun! :) > > Seriously, yes, it is kinda silly. ~/.emacs-thumbs is redundant now. An individual user will probably just use one primarily, so although not desirable, it may not be critical. > > Unifying them presupposes an understanding of the requirements. By all > > accounts both thumbs and tumme are immature, so I'm not sure that we're > > at that stage yet (I'm certainly not). > > Before Richard allowed tumme.el into Emacs I tried to copy as many > features from thumbs.el as possible into tumme.el. Everything is not > there yet, but its on the todo-list. I mean unifying the thumbnail directories not thumbs.el and tumme.el. > Tumme and thumbs are in many ways very similar. They display > thumbnails of pictures, you can act on those thumbnails to do various > things (display, manipulate etc), they are somewhat integrated in > dired etc. Why do we need two packages for doing this? We've covered this before: thumbs is simpler and best suited for basic tasks, tumme for more complex ones. > Of course, I > like tumme better, else I wouldn't have written it, but this isn't > some ego-thing, if someone thought that. I would be equally glad to > merge tumme stuff into thumbs and make that the main thumbnial/image > viewer, although for me that would be harder to do then the other way > around. I think they should be seen as complementary, not competing. > What I would like is much more input from a user's perspective, in > what areas tumme lacks compared to thumbs. I don't think you'll get much feedback until Emacs is released. tumme is a specialist package and those on emacs-devel generally don't have that specialism. Nick